Hey guys (I presume is mostly guys here),

This is my second oral Spice journey.
First one I messed up by eating 1 hour before MAOIs (peanut butter and cheese). Possibly a terrible idea but the journey was pretty wild with me left in a room at some point like an observation room in a different plane, but just as real.

So anyway...
Second one I messed up too.
Me being the hero that I am decided to take caapi copy 150mg and then 10 minutes later 100mg THH and 160 Spice.
I though 160mg is good. What could go wrong. At least I'm sure I won't be complaining it's not strong enough.

40 minutes later or so it kick starts.

Puke. Tons of it (not expecting that).
I had a bucket ready. I was lying in bed and going back and front between puking and lying down. None were pleasant.

Then the fury begun. I giant twist of thought and emotions came along and caused me (now thinking back) to hyperventilate. And the more I did that the more sick I became.
I was in the eye of a storm and I just needed to ride it out.

At some point I move to my living room and I felt or heard entities observing me and saying to each other, "He's not letting go". I was fighting it off with all my wit.
It was too wild. I tried to open my eyes to stay awake but it was so hard. Everytime I opened my eyes I struggled to keep them open and weird shapes and colors would come out and creep my view.

All my logic and senses said that's it, you are sick and you gonna die (typical Spice trip). But I had a wild card, daytime was coming and I knew the light would help me gain consciousness.

I felt I was playing a game with them. They wanted me to release myself and I was fighting it up to prove I couldn't if I didn't want them to. I let them play with my body and mind but I kept my mental composure and calm, trying to remember to breathe slow.

In the end I felt I had won the battle but then looking back makes me think the whole point of this is to let go and find knowledge... so did I really win anything?!



Lesson to learn: 160mg is too much. 125mg next time probably will be best.

You're learning. This is just a step of the process. If I hadn't spent a year in therapy before my first trip, I would've never let go. I just had a wonderful spiritual therapist who thought me to transform fear into love.

I remember a talk I had with him. I told him:
- It's sooo hard to let go!
And he was like:
- Is it? Or is it harder to hold on?

It's really painful to cling to anything - people, things, relationships, and what you think your "I" and your "real life" is.

So this is a wonderful lesson you've had and next time... just let go.

P.S. I'm a girl, and at the DMT rituals here the ratio is 50/50.

And btw - you gotta be nuts to eat cheese and peanuts before aya - you could die... literally.

RIMAs aren't reacting to Tyramine as dramatically(or at all) like MAOIs. I doubt death is possible at all.



Interesting how the entities talk about same things as nexians

Interesting enough I took Ginger tablets on first trip and got no sickness but a crazy headache after it was finished.
This time no ginger for me but oh boy, how sick was I?!

maybe all us Nexians are really entities playing the game.

You guys made me laugh!

Seriously! I think we are entities in skin and bones. When we launch to the other dimension(s), we take along maybe our spirit, mind and 3rd eye. But I think we are like them, an entity who as learning what they do and what they teach us. Just maybe missguided in our random spiritual launch to landing.
Just a thought... In DMT land, we are entities to

It sounds like it was really early in the morning. You might find the experience more tolerable if you take it in the late morning, afternoon or early night.

It was 4 am when I starting feeling super sick and overwhelmed by the intensity. Interesting how I can't really remember much visually. Maybe I will do 100mg Caapi copy and 100mg THH next time. I heard THH is more visual and grandiose.

I have thought this too. I wonder what we look like to them. Do you think they can see our physical bodies?

They see our auras probably. Yesterday I had an argument with a friend if the entities are real, or even aliens, I just can't accept this, it's way over my head. I still think they are archetypes, inner aspects of our psyche.

Please dont spread misinformation, this is not true. Check the FAQ regarding food and harmalas.

By the way, to the OP, "THH" ? THH is a weak MAOI that might not even work to orally activate DMT by itself, check this post and the link therein for an experiment seemingly confirming this.

I guess maybe you mean from F-V, who announces it as THH but actually they've sold other things instead. It has been analysed by 4 different people, shown to contain just harmine, harmine and thh, or even harmine and dmt !!! (with all the possible legal dangers for people who might have ordered the batches with dmt). I wouldn't trust F-V.

Sorry, I apologize.

This got me reading up on Jung's ideas of archetypes and the collective unconscious. Interesting stuff. I wasn't very familiar with it before. thanks.

It could be we are tapping in to the collective unconscious?

The closest thing to a personal truth I've found... And Jung was quite religious, in his own way. Check out his paintings!

Amazing stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6gqPonoITI

Soundtrack: Shpongle - DMT, hahaha!