I've had this 20X Salvia extract lying around for quite some time now and I felt that the time was right to dive in. For the special occasion, I purchased myself a nice little water pipe. I still feel like someone else is typing this right now.

At this point in my life, I've experienced ayahausca, mushrooms, freebase DMT, LSD, DXM, mescaline, and MDMA. At times it's gotten a little crazy, but never as crazy as this. I was in a different world before I inhaled that thick white smoke, and I'm not entirely sure where I went or am. NO hallucinations, but my mind has never been so twisted. I unfortunately rose to my feet, knocked over my water pipe, and dashed into another room but thankfully I got my "bearings" before anything bad happened. I have never been so utterly confused and disoriented. I had attempted to smoke a pinch of leaves several weeks earlier just to get a feel for the experience, and had felt a very strange sensation that was basically just intensified ten fold.

I packed the bowl with an indeterminate amount of extract, but I knew from weighing it out previously that this was less than 100 milligrams. I didn't smoke though the entire bowl anyway, and certainly that wasn't necessary. Torch lighter in hand, I ignited and inhaled three successive hits, the first being completely irrelevant in terms of how much smoke I inhaled. The last hit was the largest, and I haven't a clue how long I held it in for. I sat up after inhaling and tried to concentrate on holding my breath for as long a count as possible without sputtering out the smoke, and I'm assuming this is when the salvinorin A kicked in fully.

I was staring ahead at the wall of my room with what I will call "salvia vision" before I became very agitated and stood up and spazzed the water pipe over on its side, spilling the contents. I could not tell left from right or up from down and really had no sense that I was tripping at all for a brief period of time. My surrounding were not visually any different--again no hallucinations--but I was convinced that I was in an alternate universe. This trip manifested completely in my mind. I was trapped in a cosmic prison. I had the sensation of other people being with me and kept thinking that someone was going to grab hold of me and sit me down or something. Despite this, I don't think I've ever felt so alone and isolated in the universe. All sense of time was lost, as though it never existed to begin with.

I realize that my trip was possibly the result of a low dose of salvinorin A, which is utterly terrifying to think about. I am very inefficient at smoking, and my lungs are rather irritable. Also, I torched less than a third of the bowl, and on top of that I inhaled very conservatively, but I suppose I did clear all of the smoke. But at the same time, I think I enjoyed the trip and am extremely fascinated with my experience, but not fascinated enough to go deeper without someone at my side. I completely freaked out for a moment before calming myself down.

Hi Un-known-ome,

If you find yourself getting that intense unsettled-anxious feeling when first starting out, it can help to do some sort of body movements just to ground you and shift your focus/attention e.g. some tai-chi-esque manoeuvres, mudras, random shape-throwing - whatever pops up and feels right at the time. Once you've got some more experience you'll probably find this sort of reaction to melt away naturally, especially as you get more familiar with the experience and the way Lady Salvia works

Drob

Yah ....I had a super bad experience a few years back when I mixed 25x with a touch of DMT and I swore I would never touch it again after that....

Recently though I picked up some 5x to give it one more try and I actually had a pretty nifty experience where it felt like the Salvia was inviting me to give it another chance...

Then I got overbold and mixed the 5x with DMT again and it scared the ever loving crud out of me all over again although not as bad as the 25X+DMT...

On scary Salvia trips I always get this sensation like I am being yelled at by an angry mob..and then I am blasted out of my body into this prehistoric void type place and then I feel desperately like I need to urgently warn everyone else in the room not to smoke what I have smoked.....DEAR LORD DON'T SMOKE IT!!! I want to yell! I have also wanted to get up during this and move around I just have been lucky enough to not go through with my Salvia impulses yet.

.....I'm still on the Fence as to weather or not Salvia is worth my time messing with because so far it has only frightened me...not enlightened me...

And I saw they have 100X i'm pretty sure that would be just about as harrowing as it gets.

get a plant and quid some leaf..smoking it does not give you a full appreciation or knowledge of this plant and what it can offer IMO. I have had some deep experiences smoking in the past but in the end I find its a sort of gamble that is hard to integrate.

Quidding the leaves that I grow myself is a different experience altogether.

What Jamie said about giving quidding a shot is worth considering, plus you could also try working with a tincture as another option.

i totally hear what you are saying about having someone else there in case of freak outs. once a few yrs back, i was camping with my girl, and took some 40x. three huge puffs, and laid back in the tent. i was approaching ego loss, and it was a bit frightening. all in one movement i lunged and went from laying on my back to up on all fours. i very gently asked "sweetie, are you glad we came".. her reply 'grounded' my experience. that was the only time out of many that i moved from laying still during an experience on salvia.

but after witnessing a friend get up and run to a window and open/slam it shut several times, and hearing of jumpers, there is a ground floor/ sitter rule, although i have not touched it in over a year.

a friend just gave me a plant, so i would like to try quidding when she grows strong enough to spare some leaves.

I am a big fan of 5x and 10x extracts. Anything stronger (tried 20x 3 times) and i just pass out not remembering a single thing. 5x works really well to get a feeling and some oev's and 10x just blasts me off within the minute into the void not remembering there was ever something before this moment or whatever i used to be.

Most of my experiences have been very positive where i laughed and laughed about how stupid it was that i was just sitting there and nothing was actually happening but my mind was going completely insane. Then i've had fewer than those neutral experience and only 1 negatively edged experience.

I can understand that you would want a sitter, especially because you were probably very unprepared on what to expect. I've never done any drug that i did for the first time alone thankfully. With salvia i have never had the idea of getting up. I knew how fast the onset would be and that once i got through that stage i wouldn't have the urge to get up anymore.

Even though your experience seems to be somewhat negative i'm sure that once you have had more trips they will become more positive and better to 'grasp' because you are slightly more prepared, but never prepared enough. Every trip for me has been completely different in terms of what i experienced but the onset is kind of always the same.. 'salvia vision', shifting gravity, audiovisual disconnection and after that anything is possible..

It was somewhat negative, but that isn't enough to deter me from further use. Honestly, after having had some intense ayahuasca journeys I feel prepared for virtually anything.

After reading through various trip reports, I stumbled upon someone who was able to describe his/her experience in a way that I could not. Everything in my visual field warped itself counterclockwise, but again this isn't something I actually saw but rather felt or sensed. I couldn't shake the feeling and I fought it furiously. I was completely unaware that I had smoked anything for several minutes, which is undoubtedly why panic set in. I feel like no matter how intense the psychedelic experience becomes, I will be able to maintain a certain level of calm if I'm aware that I've altered my consciousness. But when you lose that awareness, it's all that much harder to maintain control.

I have heard that lady Salvia does not easily let people enter her realm.

It's sort of like what Don Juan says about psychedelic plants being a type of spirit ally. Just like the movie Avatar, it must choose you just as much as you choose it.

My one and only time smoking Salvia was similar to the disorientation you experienced. What sucks about Sally is that it doesn't cause you to lose the ability to move your body. Like on DMT or Shrooms or something you sort of just evaporate out of your body and (at least for me) it takes a good amount of willpower to even want to move my body, let alone actually do it.

Salvia isn't like that. When I had hit the pipe on the third toke, my kitchen started talking to me and DEMANDED I come inside to see what was going on. I have no concious recollection of getting out of my seat and moving into the kitchen, I only know this is what happened because my sitter told me I got up suddenly, yelled at the kitchen to shut up, and went in and just kept shouting "WHAT kitchen!? What is so important that your shouting at me like this!?". Then I came down and that's all it was for me.

I'm not sure how Sally feels about me. What my 'kitchen' kept saying was 'come in and see', but after a long time thinking about it I wonder if that was a message from the plant itself beckoning me to go deeper, to come in and see what Salvia had to offer. Who knows, I have more success with psilocybin tbh.