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EzekielCain
#1 Posted : 5/16/2012 1:27:46 AM
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I took a little hyperspace visit last night and dictated the following upon my return. This was not a breakthrough dose by any means, just a 6mg testing of the most recent batch. The transcription is almost identical to my audio description but a lot of the "Ums" and "Uhs" and pauses have been taken out not only because they're hard to type but because as many of you know, description immediately following experience is difficult...

"I was ‘told’ by something that I was afraid of letting go and giving in. It wasn’t an audible voice but a feeling that was imprinted on me.

I asked ‘Why am I afraid?’ I was led strongly to believe this would be answered by my taking another good toke, which I did.

I saw everything fade away and I started laughing...there were little eyes peeking into me, I was just laughing the whole time...well, I wasn’t...it wasn’t laughter, I don’t know what the emotion is, it wasn’t laughter but it was like laughter. And every time I would project that out these little prisms and rainbows would like, bounce off of...well...there weren’t any walls, but...bouncing off of space, like ripples in water.

I just kept thinking ‘No fucking way’ and as I’m seeing this and watching this show of lights played out in front of me, *whoosh* I came back and opened up my eyes and just said "Thank you, thank you..." and realized that my question was answered.

Why am I scared of the unknown? I don’t understand why that’s so scary...it’s a very human reaction, just really not a...normal reaction. It’s more of a safety mechanism. I think it’s very useful to just sort of shed that part...it’s not necessary.

It’s just a human fault and we’re full of them. We’re full of these little things that say we’re supposed to be conditioned this way. It’s a fallacy, really. It’s not...yeah, it keeps you out of harms way essentially. But in one sense, it’s just your physical vessel...
That’s it. You’re worried about hurting your physical vessel. Your spirit has no attachment to your body. At all. It’s just a container, so your spirit is not actually hurt. But we’re just so afraid of pain to our physical bodies that it’s scary. It makes people afraid, but really what’s on the other side...you don’t know what to expect, it’s unknown. But it’s love. It’s just LOVE.

It’s...happiness...it’s...feelings don’t really exist, it’s just the closest to what we can relate to as love and happiness and excitement and giddiness, that’s what we know as words that can be used to describe emotion. But what we’re feeling, the emotions that you’re feeling are all simultaneous. It’s kind of a...ball. It’s kind of a prism itself. It’s a prism that all the other prisms are reflecting on.

I don’t know. It’s difficult to describe it when you’re not sure how to describe it. It makes sense in my own mind. You’ve just got to see it to believe it.

Your physical body is like, uncomfortable. And when you shed that and realize "Well, it’s only uncomfortable for a moment." Guess what’s beyond? Whew….like night and day. Only there’s no night and day because everything is so bright and so dark at the same time. It’s just...so strange. The colors...you can’t...

Everyone always says you can’t describe the colors, cuz there’s no...like...it doesn’t come in the Crayola box, you know. That’s what we know our spectrum of color to be, but it’s...so much more than that. And it all contains every color. That’s the beauty of it. You see it swirling around, and it’s every single color but bright and glowing. It’s awesome and it’s infinite. That’s another thing I noticed too, it’s just infinite. It’s 360 degrees multiplied by 1000 and you can’t absorb it all at the same time. Even when I wasn’t looking with my eyes, it’s still impossible to see it all. It was just endless."

6mg??? I can’t wait to take MORE. Big grin
 

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#2 Posted : 5/16/2012 2:51:28 AM

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6MG? REALLY WOW. YOU GOT SOME CLEAN PUREBig grin DMT. WHAT METHOD DID YOU USE TO TAKE IT?
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#3 Posted : 5/16/2012 3:26:31 AM

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Yeah I'm really surprised you experienced the euphoria and colors on only 6mg

I guess you'll automatically see God if you take any more Smile
 
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#4 Posted : 5/16/2012 3:51:44 AM
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DMT1133 wrote:
6MG? REALLY WOW. YOU GOT SOME CLEAN PUREBig grin DMT. WHAT METHOD DID YOU USE TO TAKE IT?


Sandwich method with the torch lighter!


I'm waiting for my buddy to bring over the oiler to see what we can do with that beast, but for sure...I was pleasantly surprised to have undergone this @6mg. I use a Gemini mg scale that I calibrate after every use, so at the very most it was 7mg.

It was just shy of 7 and half minutes in duration. Shocked
 
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#5 Posted : 5/16/2012 5:29:13 AM

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#6 Posted : 5/16/2012 7:04:49 AM

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I think you lucked out. Did anyone smoke before you in that pipe?
Thinking maybe leftovers create a larger than weighed hit.

DMT is strange though and can effect people differently. If that was your first time ever smoking DMT, then this kinda stuff can happen (i think)
When I first smoked a bit less than that, my pipe multiplied to about 7 pipes wide, very shiny and the lighter was unworkable. I said "whoa!" and put them down. Then saw everything morphing. Never closed my eyes. Now when I smoke 6mg, I might get some breathing thing happening with normal colours looking more vivid, plus maybe the carrier wave (maybe).

So I think DMT is stronger when your body is new to it. (just my thought)
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#7 Posted : 5/16/2012 5:46:03 PM
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It could be that there was residual left in the pipe, but I really doubt there was a lot in there. I only use the pipe for smaaaaaall test amounts like this before it's smoked heavily in an oiler.

I've smoked DMT plenty of times before...I wouldn't say that I've got a "tolerance" built up because I don't smoke it daily, and my amount to get into hyperspace usually will vary as a result of my not frequently using DMT on a regular basis. Tonight I might smoke 25mg and next week I might smoke 18mg and it would be identical in intensity.

*shrugs*

I've had similar things happen like the morphing, just off really small doses. The very first batch I tested in the same amount I found my arms turned as thin as toothpicks and it was like things were going in reverse from close to me to far away.

I'm not a professional extractor by any means. I used pre-powdered Mexican Mimosa Hostilis RB and don't think I did anything special in my process other than continually pray over it for a good yield and happy times.
 
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Haha I just had a recent trip which throughout the whole experience I couldn't stop laughing, Every time I'd open my eyes it seemed as if matter would take natural form right in front of my eyes. I'd open my eyes and think to myself ok its over only to realize I'm still tripping, so I'd close my eyes again. This happened 3 times where I thought to myself its over only to be slammed with hyperspace again. Extremely strange trip. Dmt is very peculiar sometimes when it comes to dose sizes. Always keeps you guessing.
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#9 Posted : 5/16/2012 10:30:44 PM

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Very well written thread. i have many similar feelings about letting go.. i find it hard sometimes, but always rewarded when it happens.
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#10 Posted : 5/17/2012 12:17:05 AM
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Thank you.

I think most people have that hesitation in letting go and giving in. But like many of us have found, after the initial anxiety, it's only uncomfortable for a moment.

After that it's smooth sailing!!!
 
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#11 Posted : 5/17/2012 8:59:58 AM

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EzekielCain wrote:
After that it's smooth sailing!!!


hmmm if you say so Pleased

I guess there are many here who experienced what you would call the opposite of smooth sailing. Its not always about being able to let go, but that is just my opinion.

I wish you never get any bad experience and you always have only the smooth ones.

Good reading by the way thanks for sharing



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#12 Posted : 5/17/2012 9:52:52 PM
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I agree.

I was more or less talking about the physical discomfort and anxiety. Once that's by the wayside its easier to adapt to what's going on.

You're right though. A lot of times you get more than what you bargained for, but thats the price you pay when you look behind the curtain to see the wizard.

Some things aren't meant to be seen and some questions are better left unanswered.
 
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#13 Posted : 5/17/2012 10:10:10 PM
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Did you measure your dose with a scale that shows 0,001mg? Just curious...

Being scared of the unknown and powerful is only natural and only through facing it one can (possibly) see that there's not whole alot to be scared of. Even when there is some unpleasant things, too.
 
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#14 Posted : 5/19/2012 7:38:54 PM
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I'm very glad people here share and understand the idea of "letting go". I took ayahuasca about 10 days ago. While on the trip I reached a point where I felt like everything was so disconnected from my body that if I moved past this point, that is to say, if I had let go any further I would have experienced death. At least that's what it felt like. It felt like death was pushing its way in, and at a certain point my body's defense kicked in to force my mind from letting go and preventing this "death".

I'll probably take ayahusca again. I want to completely let go. I don't know what's beyond those last bits of clinging.
 
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EzekielCain wrote:
It could be that there was residual left in the pipe, but I really doubt there was a lot in there. I only use the pipe for smaaaaaall test amounts like this before it's smoked heavily in an oiler.


Do you think an oiler is the best way to smoke it?
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#16 Posted : 5/19/2012 10:45:42 PM

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EzekielCain wrote:
Thank you.

I think most people have that hesitation in letting go and giving in. But like many of us have found, after the initial anxiety, it's only uncomfortable for a moment.

After that it's smooth sailing!!!


lmao on this....wait till you get snatched or ego death..
Then say: after that its smooth sailing?
 
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#17 Posted : 5/23/2012 9:09:56 PM
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I've experienced ego death on so many occasions...Anyone who's experienced it knows what it's like to be completely stripped of self, mind and body. Liberating, yes. Also scary as shit if you aren't prepared for it.

I'm not saying that every single journey taken into hyperspace is all wonderous and colorful and awesome. Not by a long shot! But even the discomforting and horrible things seen/shown should be taken as a learning experience to the user. What one's own personal hell is could be a mild speedbump for someone else. I equate hyperspace often to russian roulette. You load up the chamber and never quite know which shot is going to get you....


The part you've chosen to quote is regarding the physical anxiety and tachycardia.

Regardless of my experiences or your experience, I think we can ALL agree that there's this impending sense of uneasiness you feel before you light that bowl. Am I right?

Once THIS passes and you are no longer physically uncomfortable it makes sailing much smoother. This is not to say that you'll be sailing into calm waters. I certainly hope that people new to this don't walk into it with expectations of wonder and good spirited entities.

I should have been more clear.

All it takes is one bad experience to seriously make someone re-evaluate doing it again.
 
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#18 Posted : 5/23/2012 10:28:42 PM

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but you smooth sailing..
after having ego death you must admit,not everyone can handle such a truly mind losing event..

my only thing was the smooth sailing statment,is something i would never say to anyone that comes to the spice...Once


THIS passes and you are no longer physically uncomfortable.....this is your statment?
i felt ego death so bad and felt every rip and tear of my soul being ripped apart to a point i cannot even describe now im not sure if others felt this true pain or not but it was more real then real for meTwisted Evil .....it should be followed by..IMO...

not to bust your balls,it's just that people read this stuff and think if i can just get through it will be ok strange but ok,you have had many ego deaths did you not feel everything being done to you as it happened? alot here did and all im saying.
is i felt that like so many others have and the last thing many said was it was smooth or not uncomfortable.. now most like me and you would not trade it for a thing because of what we got from it...



much respect for you just being brave enough to do a hyper jump and even more after ego death, but for many that day will be the last straw....Stop

again not to offend just letting the noobs know, like you said it.s no joke
.....................................................................Thumbs up .<3 Oden

 
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#19 Posted : 5/24/2012 1:18:47 AM

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EzekielCain wrote:
I saw everything fade away and I started laughing...there were little eyes peeking into me, I was just laughing the whole time...well, I wasn’t...it wasn’t laughter, I don’t know what the emotion is, it wasn’t laughter but it was like laughter. And every time I would project that out these little prisms and rainbows would like, bounce off of...well...there weren’t any walls, but...bouncing off of space, like ripples in water.
...It makes people afraid, but really what’s on the other side...you don’t know what to expect, it’s unknown. But it’s love. It’s just LOVE.

It’s...happiness...it’s...feelings don’t really exist, it’s just the closest to what we can relate to as love and happiness and excitement and giddiness, that’s what we know as words that can be used to describe emotion. But what we’re feeling, the emotions that you’re feeling are all simultaneous. It’s kind of a...ball. It’s kind of a prism itself. It’s a prism that all the other prisms are reflecting on.

I don’t know. It’s difficult to describe it when you’re not sure how to describe it. It makes sense in my own mind. You’ve just got to see it to believe it.


Yep! That rrrreally resonated! That weird, weird laughter that's anything but laughter - it's ineffable... the wondrous weirdness of it all. It has everything, every freaking emotion and sensation balled up in that laughter... And not only emotions - colors, sensations, textures, words... Just everything.

I'm glad someone else had a similar experience. Hugs! And love, yeah, don't forget the love. Smile

 
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#20 Posted : 5/24/2012 5:17:43 PM
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Oden,

Totally agree with what you say here. My own humble opinion stems from the hope that someone has done adequate research on this and isn't just jumping into it. Everyone knows they shouldn't expect the same experience that you or I might have. That goes without saying, and for ANY substance.

Anyone taking this with no regard shouldn't even be messing with it. Rule #1 is to not expect anything at all because your mind will be blown to bits regardless of what you anticipate. Anyone who has made it as far as the nexus or drugs-forum to research anything is starting at the right place but no amount of reading will prepare anyone... Experience is the only way.

So to anyone still reading into this: NOTHING should ever be taken or consumed without proper education and research. You've got to have enough sense to understand that the situation is unique to you and it could very well be bad. Your first time might be your last time. There is an intensity that you'll never be ready for and it WILL chew you up and spit you out if you think you're in control of anything at all. Just because your an experienced user of psychedelics does not put you at any sort of advantage that it will be wonderful for you. I would never claim that its all sunshine and balloon animals. Treat it with respect and it will bestow many secrets on you: the question is whether the secrets will be bad or good.

Autum- this tends to be what happens a lot to me. Simultaneous "emotions" (although they aren't really because we can only use words to describe the feeling: ie, describe the FEELING of jealousy to me without using its definition..) we just use universal words to describe feelings we feel, IMO thats a lot different from feeling them. What's another word for laughter that isn't laughter? Its crazy interesting, isn't it? Who knew we would be capable in spirit form to feel the sensory overload of EVERYTHING we can't differentiate in our current state. Does anyone you know have the ability to hate the person they love at the same time they despise and admire? Its an ongoing dichotomy of feelings.

Hugs to you too. Glad others are understanding the unexplainable balance...it doesn't make sense yet its perfectly natural. Go figure.
 
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