Hello!

I only yesterday tried the first batch of yopo snuff that I have attempted to produce with extremely mixed results. It was mixed approximately 2:1 with calcium hydroxide, rolled into a ball with a small amount of water while I sang to it, and allowed to sit one week in a sunny window. First I attempted smoking the substance, with marked closed-eye visuals which were quite within the tryptamine family of visuals and yet utterly unique in their vibrant formlessness - a quality markedly distinct from n,n-dmt. I did however notice a distinct facial pressure and nausea. Also the feeling I got was much more sedated and relaxed than dmt or even psilocin. Laying down and watching the colors swirl around like smoke behind my eyelids was heavenly. The problem I found with smoking the powder was that I was very disilnclined to finish the dOse, making a full discening of effects impossible.

A few hours later I hesitantly decided to take the plunge and have my wife blow the rest (1 gram?) into my nasal passages. The pain was great, though really despite the volume of coarse bean in my nose reletively ok. Then came the nausea. It was like some animal was in my guts , writhing and tearing at my stomach. I got up and walked into the back yard and sat on a stump. The nausea was 1:1 with the visuals, each increasing parallel to eachother, till I could not even look at the beautiful things I could have see . I was totally distracted by the pain in my abdomen. I blew the snuff out of my nose, and puked violently. I came in and laid in the cool darkness, and the discomfort receded as did the visuals, until I was left with a great sense of peace and relaxatiOn. For the next 2 hours or so I sat with my wife and friends and had a great night, with a distinct ++ trip following me until I hit the hay and slept like a rock. This morning I awoke feeling rejuvenated and generally happy, causing me to assume that bufotenine has lasting antidepressant effects (due to serotonin release?).

The question is, is it possible to pull the (distinct and powerful) psychedelia out of yopo without bringing along the terrible secondary effects? Is there some way to prepare tHe beans that will help or should I just bite the bullet and extract. Also, I noticed similar yet distinct effects from smoking and insufflating, can anyone speak with more authority on this?

Would you be able to compare the nausea to aya/pharma or a high (burnt?) dose of N,N?

I only snuffed 2 times, but I have smoked it probly 75-100 times. Bufotenine does really have a nice antidepressant afterglow. I find smoking is a more deep breakthrough comparable in some ways to DMT, but it lasts longer and takes on a different feeling tone, and snuffing so far was more of a mental effect. I havent yet snuffed a large dose though.

If you really want to break through smoking it, take your snuff and do a simple iso extractio. 3 pulls should do it, then evaporate it onto some leaf in a 1:1 mix so it is easy to smoke since the extract is like a resin. It is so much easier to dose that way, smoking the seed snuff itself I cant get a full on dose becasue it gets hard to keep taking hits. 2 or 3 large hits of the extract and I will break through..the nausea seems to build up to a point where it sort of plateaus and does not increase anymore..it is bad enough as it is though, the nausea and pain that is.

fractal, do you think it would be possible to do a similar iso extraction on virola theidora resin?

^ I have no experience with virola so I cant really say, but it is something I want to try in the future.

Ok, I was thinking that extraction must be the way to go. However, I have no experience with extraction of any sort so is there a tek you could refer me to? Also, are you saying the nausea is unavoidable? Just the nature of the bufo beast?

The nausea was comparable to the minute just before spewing mimosahuasca. A feeling o immenance.

ive never been able to avoid it even with crystals..though I only got my bufotenine purified to a sort of amber fumerate salt..when freebased it came out sort of oily and brown..still very active but still nausea. Phlux and 69ron swear that there is none of that nausea when it is completely cleaned to white freebase crystals, and phlux said that he was doing zinc reduction to deal with oxides which were causing nausea..

For me the nausea is not really like that of ayahuasca. It is far worst at times, yet short lived. The bufotenine nausea seems to stem more from the constriction it has on my stomach, and the fuller my stomach is the worse it is and the more likely I am to purge. Bufotenine(at least yopo/vilca) has a sort of pain inherant in it that one must endure before they visions.

So is it that there are secondary alkaloids or salts of bufotenin that cause these peripheral effects? Or is it that bufotenin itself just has these secondary effects?

Just in the interest of not starting a new thread, I'll resurrect this one.

can ethyl-alcohol be substituted for isopropyl to make a crude bufo-changa? I just have a bottle 95% grain alcohol and I'd rather just use the solvent at hand.

cant say for sure but I dont know why you would not be able to use it..

Ok well then I'll try it!

It'll work fine, just take a little longer to evap. My dog evapped over crushed and freebased rue seeds.

Like rue seeds; Cebil beans are a better smoke when toasted. The beans lose something like 1/5th of their weight in fat... Look into Fractals' Bufotenine IPA Extraction and Bufojam Changa Tek.

Otherwise; relatively pure Bufo can be had quite easily with FASA: and any extraction can be cleaned up with a binary mix of acetone and naptha.

See a compilation of what looked to me to be the best easy Bufo teks here: https://mycotopia.net/fo...otenine-extractions.html

Lemon essential oil predose for skipping seretonergic nausea. My dog uses 5 drops diluted in olive oil in a gel cap 25 minutes before blastoff. He has even eaten several freebased beans after LEO and had no nausea(!); he enjoys freebase bufo orally with some beers and some friends.

He smoked freebased bean out of a lightbulb after chewing/sublingually holding rue because he heard the natives smoked their yopo in Mapacho cigars while chewing caapi. Sometimes he freebased rue with a yopo tek and smoked it prior to the beans also.

The crude alcohol extract changa was easier to work with than the yopo.

Freebasing for smoking purposes might be most easily accomplished by soaking the seed or bean matter in clean "clear" (surfectant free) ammnonia 20 minutes; which afterwards can be evaporated away cleanly.

Blessings.

how did the ratio go? was it 2:1 with seeds to calcium or the other way around?

I think 2(yopo):1(lime)... but don't go by that, it's been almost a year since I've made the snuff.

Lol ok I won't I've been thinking 3:1 with lime to seed.

I am almost sure that the yopo is supposed to be more than the lime... I'm pretty certain that there is never more lime than yopo!

Ok thank you i need this advice. I'll do 2:1 with seed to lime it seems proper.

Ouch.

Lime is a very strong base not much is needed and some think it even damages the goodies; which is why my dog freebased with calcium carbonate.

Maybe 4 parts toasted seed to 1 part lime would not be as much overkill.

Ok thank you sir. I'm using eggshells though not Ike but same difference prolly.

Peel the inner membrane from the eggshell before powdering.

The ratio is 1 part bean to 3 parts eggshell; first roasting the beans in the oven will knock off about 1/5 of the beans weight... Then one can add the correct ratio of bean powder to the CaCO3/eggshell powder. Add some Caapi powder if you'd like.

Make sure to grind the paste thouroughly and repeatedly over 24 hours.
(If using lime, over 4-5 hours only to prevent goodie loss)

If insufflating; the Yopo is ground and sifted to be so fine that it floats in the air.

Whichever ROA; consider using a MAOI to prolong and intensify the experience.

Do you plan to use a vasodialator?
Kola nut (Cold water extract) is good; and the natives often use alcohol...

Blessings.