My roommate "S", had taken his first spice trip ever the day of May 4th, he had a fairly good time and was able to recall most of the images and things that had taken place without incident.

Throughout the day of the fifth he had talked to me throughout the day off and on about his experience, and I offered my opinions and several other Nexians opinions so he could work his way through integrating. This was going well.

He had gone out briefly for Cinco celebrations, and came home slightly inebriated. He told me he'd been thinking about it all night and that he wanted to try it again and go a little bit further. I had told him pretty bluntly at this point I don't think thats the best idea "S", I don't doubt your abilities, but it's always best to make serious decisions when sober, and mixing spice with alcohol doesn't always go the greatest. He was very persistant and was so humble about going back with a sincere desire to understand more about the amazing things he had experienced. So against my better judgement I loaded him a 15 mg hit(my buddy brought a mg scale over for me to borrow today, so it was accurately measured).

He hit it, and looked content, expressed his happiness at returning to hyperspace. Then he looked at the pipe, and hit it again. He became very still and closed his eyes. This lasted for about five minutes, then without warning he started screaming bloody murder, like some noises, sometimes just the word "NOOO". At the top of his lungs, it sounded horrifying, like he must be being tortured, I as soothingly as possible reminded him everything was going to be okay, that it will pass and he will be coming back towards reality more and more with every second, to keep breathing, and the like trying to talk him down, but nothing helped, he kept screaming. I was stone cold sober at this point, and it chills me to the bone thinking about those screams.

He fell over off of the couch, and onto the floor, I managed to errm grab position him to keep him away from a few things that would have hurt him, and he kept screaming no matter what me, or my other roommate(who had woken up, and been very concerned) would say.

Eventually he stopped completely just as suddenly as he had started. Remained silent for ten minutes, then got up off the ground not being able to piece together anything that had happened, he remembered hitting the pipe the first time, then waking up on the ground, but when he was "coming to" he had been half muttering broken sentences about "not safe", understand too much, same cycle repeating.

About a minute after saying these things he had no knowledge of ever uttering them. He has like absolute amnesia, and came back with pretty severe deja vu, saying that everything I'd say he'd already been there to hear. However he assured me he was completely fine, felt better than when he started, and had nothing but glowing things to say regarding his mental and emotional state, as well as for DMT the drug in general.

Has anyone else had experiences with complete amnesia of the event? (I guess you wouldn't be able to answer this if you had complete amnesia....) I've never not remembered at least a little something, and the several dozen close friends I've dosed over the last two years have never had a complete blank as to what happened.

I guess this is just so completely beyond anything I've ever seen happen when someone was on the drug that I'm kind of at a loss.

When he wakes up he told me he wants to talk about what exactly he did, and compare how hes feeling to make sure hes okay, which was all his ideas, leading me to believe that hes completely fine. He was acting and talking normally, using his usual behaviors gestures and etc. I'm just still kind of worried that something is not quite right or that he may have odd effects upon waking.

Any experiences, suggestions, or really just ideas about what could have caused this would be amazingly helpful and appreciated.

Thanks,

compound37

This has never happened to me, nor has it ever happened to anyone I've ever administered it to. However, having said that, I've read a handful of cases that describe pretty much exactly what it is you describe. They take their dose, have a nightmarish freak out, and then when they come back they remember close to nothing of it. A bunch even report remembering things going pretty well (internally) with no recollection of an external freak out. It seems that when people slip into that kind of state that there may often be a disconnect between the internal experience of the tripper and his external appearance, control and perception over the physical body. It's surprising that this was achieved with a mere 15mg though because in virtually all the other cases I've read, it's usually a pretty large dose or a 5-MeO overdose or something, but I suppose the alcohol may have had something to do with it, even though I would expect the alcohol to dumb down the DMT and not completely overdrive it. If he seems fine now, he probably is. I can imagine it was probably a terrifying experience for you, but it's not unheard of, and if there is a complete amnesia of the situation, then it is highly unlikely that the would-be traumatic memories will feedback to create a kind of psychological trauma.

I think he wanted to forget something that was to much for him to handle and he gave himself a suggestion to forget and that made him feel safe!!! I think we have inside us this built in protection system especially when we make a plea for help to ourselves!!! I would advise not to bring this up with him not to try to make him remember!!!

My most terrifying experience was smoking some Jungle Spice after drinking. Had a full on panic attack and was shaken for quite some time afterwards. The two are not supposed to be mixed AT ALL IMO.

As for amnesia, yes that has happened to me as well. I had just come down off a 15mg dose and instantly loaded another 15-20mg dose, and proceded to have an almighty freakout, not remembering that I had just smoked, and thought there was something seriously wrong with me. I was surrounded by darkness and there was an intense feeling of impending doom and evil in the room. Incredibly unpleasant.

This stuff is not a toy, and if used in a care free manner you are, imo, asking for trouble. This is why I have a ritual for doing it. Any how, I hope your friend is ok - if he decides to smoke again, make sure there is absolutely no alcohol involved.

from what i've seen and read it seems that something happens on over doses of straight dmt where a blackout occurs and nothng is remembered. Its not an uncommon thing.

being careful of dose is always good practice.

It very scary when a friend starts screaming and freeking out and looks like a mental patient gone off the deep end , i've been there its not fun. All you can do is be supportive, reassuring and make sure they're safe and won't hurt themselves. THis is one of the reasons I recommend doing these things as far away from other people as possible.

It seems that these kinds of extreme experiences even if not remembered can be quite transformative.

I think its rare to have people carry on as you described nevertheless it can happen .
everyone who works with other people should be prepared for this possible eventuality
and have some kind of plan.

Thanks everybody. Me and "S" both just woke up, and he is indeed feeling back to normal and been doing good and stuff.

Definitely learned my lesson regarding alcohol and spice, (I don't like alcohol that much) and will never let any drunk person talk me into dosing them.

I feel a lot better about the whole thing now that I'm completely sure "S" is okay.

Thanks again for the replies guys. Really eased my mind about the whole thing.

I have a friend that always just blacks out when he smokes DMT.

But it's a bit crazy this happened after just 15 mg's.

He had taken more his first time and loved it. Definitely odd.

I heard something about small doses doing something odd to you. Like you can get stuck in a "no time" , "void" "loop" area of the hyperspace or pre hyperspace.
So maybe 20mg and up might not cause this.

I smoked about 15mg and was in a crazy loop (I talk about this trip alot)

Yes, "S" and I just sat down for a little one on one talk about the whole thing, and his latest memories of it were just that he was experiencing the same thing, over and over, all at the same time, with minute little differences, and it was "Like I was experiencing all of these infinite realities all in the same moment without time moving at all."

Sounds similar to what your describing electric Kool-Aid.

Odd little molecule. Different levels of experience with varying degrees of insanity.

Thanks again everybody, you really helped me and "S" work through his experience! I'll be sure to post any other updates as they arise.

I'm sorry you had to see you're friend freak out like that.
But who knows what he actually went through.
One time I actually ingested some spice whilst drunk.
It was int he am and I was at a party that had just dwindled
to nothing. My close friend did pretty much the same thing that yours did, Compound.
So I proceeded to load him a 25mg dose with some vaped weed inside the vapor bowl.
By the time I had prepared and heated the vape up, he had passed out.
So here I am, drunk with 25mg of sacred material mixed with vaped weed.
I had no choice but to use it myself.
I did, and let me tell you..
it was one of my all time best experiences, and the first that I encountered the jester.
That being said.. I probably will not do that again, ever; as when I go on my journeys
I take a very ceremonial stance toward it.
Hope you're buddy has better trips ahead!

He's currently in a "Never again" type mood. I believe it'll pass in time though.