I have tried the spice 4 times now. After reading some of these posts, I gather my dose has been unreasonably high, but my vaping technique seems to be terrible, so despite loading 55mg in my GVG, I still feel that I am just scratching the surface of the experience, and my ingested dose was probably much lower than what I loaded.

My strongest trip was the second to last. I saged my apartment, listened to binaural beats for awhile then got ready to launch. 55mg loaded next to my bed. I sat up, vaped it in two breaths (the second being much denser than the first) then immediately lay down, closed my eyes. Headphones were playing binaural beats because that relaxes me.

So far, consistent conditions have yielded almost identical results. I see a complex, green, hexagonal pattern which feels distinctly 'alien' for lack of any other appropriate word. The shapes take on depth and I am taken into them as they fold and change. There has never been an 'entity' per se, but I have the distinct feeling that the shapes themselves are sentient, or are being 'shown' to me. In my strongest trip, seemed to go a little deeper than this, and saw what seemed to me an alien computer. Glowing green tubes with symbols flowing through them. Looking closely at the symbols, they were all recognizable, human, Western symbols- I remember dollar signs, hearts, and skulls among others. The tubes had symmetrical bends in them, and this seemed to be an important feature to them. "What happens on one side happens on the other side" or "What happens inside also happens outside". Something like that. (This wasn't conveyed in words or even telepathically, but I sensed that this was relevant.) The tubes flowed in and out of an iridescent purple dome of some kind. Also, the hemi sync meditation that I was listening to seemed to contain some kind of pattern of its own which I perceived was affecting these tubes in some way. Their effect was weak and subtle- a small simple pattern superimposed on the whole.

After the trip, I reflected on this a lot, and came to the conclusion that what I saw was my own mind. The tubes were like the wrinkles of the brain, and the symbols flowing through them showed that my mind is basically a manipulator of symbols. The purple glowing dome was my skull and crown chakra. The symmetrical bends are still a mystery, but I suspect it has to do with the creative power of thought. Of course, this is just a guess. It made sense to me, though, because when I lie down with my eyes closed like that, I am basically just directing my attention to my own mind. So it kind of made sense to me that on DMT I would still see whatever I was focusing my attention on, but through the lens of that different consciousness.

This brings up a big question for me, though. Do you feel that the visuals we have on DMT are things that we "see" or things that are presented to us? Is the spirit molecule like a telescope where we get a different view of what we're focusing on, or do you think it's more like TV, where all we can do is turn it on, and someone else is controlling the program?

"What happens inside also happens outside"


Wow this came up just recently too

What does it mean to you?

My guess was that it meant that thought has consequences outside our own minds.

I usually see just alien symbols...

I call it "the code", it often is visible on my DMT journeys. It's very difficult to observe it in a manner that makes possible for example to draw it on paper. Could be our brain processes, who knows. I've also speculated that it's the creating material for our physical world.

We interpret sounds and symbols all the time, I thought of this earlier while was walking down the hallway doing a sort of C3PO dance. Maybe we will or do serve as translators/interpreters to other beings in Galaxies far far away.

Everything came from nothing, so i believe we are somewhat trapped in consciousnesses that always was. For the time being, here on earth, it is limited to our brain. A telescope is a good word, but I think filter is better.

Are you familiar with the Hermetic axiom "As Above, So Below?" It's pretty important for, well, the universe and stuff.

the universe seems to be full of these diverse paradox's

This is kind of a thread derail, but I just wanted to comment on something you said-loading 55mg because your vaping technique isnt very good.. Thats a dangerous game my friend! One day youre gonna get it right, even if just by accident, and youre in for an earth shattering ride!

I dont mean to tell you what to do, but if I was you, I would lower the dose until you get the technique down, and then when you get more comfortable with it and know youre getting the whole of what you put in, then up the dose if you want. I just say this because it seems to me most threads where someone posts about an awful experience, they smoked way more than they were ready for or expecting. Just my advice

I definitely agree with you, emptymind! Once I figured out that I was loading too much, I researched it and found the problem- I was using a bunch of pipe screens, and the spice was leaking out. I could actually see it collecting under the bowl. Once I understood the error of my ways, I replaced this with a liquid pad from the volcano vaporizer, and I've started working my way up from 10mg again.

Also, SammaSam, I am familiar with 'as above, so below'. I just didn't get what that had to do with what I was seeing. I think that the vision was actually my human mind. The symbols I saw flowing through it were recognizable, human, western symbols. I remember seeing dollar signs, a heart, and a skull and crossbones among other things. This is different from the completely 'alien' symbols I normally see.

Every time I see this stuff, I look at it and think, "Yeah, if I had the skills, this *could* be reproduced in Illustrator or Photoshop" but then I come out of it, and there's absolutely no way!

There is something known as "social constructivism". First developed by the child psychologist, Lev Vygotsky, the idea has spread throughout various fields in the social sciences. The idea is that meaning is essentially made through the use of language. Through symbols and signs, we construct cultural realities, which then develop into outlooks on life. Hence the old saying: "If you can control the words a person uses, you can control the very way they perceive." Authors like George Orwell, Philip K. Dick, Roland Barthes, etc. have come to similar conclusions. Consciousness, itself (along with our ability to think), rests in language. For example, try thinking of something without using signs, shapes, symbols, sounds, etc. It's impossible.

Thank you for sharing your experiences. The best of wishes to you as you walk with others along your way.

I've seen these symbols and later found them on the weekday heptagram:

This comes up all the time, and I don't think it's soon to be resolved. My take on it is that the things we see and places we go are pretty much always a combination of our own psyches being projected and "real" matter being witnessed. Thought waves are absolutely physical things that can be measured, so they definitely interact with, change, and(I believe) create matter. DMT seems to amplify our thought processes, so we can change existing worlds and create new ones very fast. So fast, in fact, that we get caught up in the process and often don't even realize we're doing it. That's option 1.

Option 2 is that DMT removes a filter, and so we're just experiencing dimensions that exist around us all the time, independent of our observation. These dimensions are full of conscious "beings" that find ways to interact with our minds once we pop into them.

I think it's definitely both, and I think that rings true for our everyday, sober experiences as well. It's always a balance between things we're creating from the inside and projecting outwards, and things not created by us that we're coming in contact with.

I see the symbol in the 7/9 o'clock position fairly often, the other ones not so much. It is of course multi-colored, ever-changing, and gel-like and morphs into many other shapes, but it takes the shape of this symbol often. It is also covered in many many details of smaller and even smaller symbols.. i'm guessing the symbols continue getting smaller off into infinity!.

The hardest part is, of course, remembering exactly what things look like during the breakthrough. If I think kind of half-focused (not trying too hard to picture it) its like I can see it out of the "corner" of my "mind's eye"... but when I think I've got it mapped the way I saw it I try and bring the image to the front and center of my mind and it's gone! Just like that!

Because of this I feel also that DMT is both our psyche unlocked (amplified thought processes) and the filter switch being turned off..

Perhaps I have a horrible memory and am doomed to not remember the detail of it well but the visions are made of things I HAVE seen before, and things I HAVEN'T.. obviously the brain is extremely powerful and there are ways to access information without a physical medium (i.e. telepathy) which would account for both options Shamasi Wiz hypothesized. I'm inclined to lean towards the spiritual side of it because even if we get down to the reality of DMT... it is a chemical that has survived the "standard" of evolution in many different organisms.. if one believes in Darwinist evolution the traits of a species generally only survive if there is some necessity or benefit to them..
There's a little something to ponder : )

I know, for example, some botanists have speculated that marijuana is actually a conscious entity (yes this isn't news for most of us that all animate/inanimate objects are capable of containing consciousness in one way or another) and it has thrived and survived and been spread to all corners of the globe no matter what the climate (as far as species evolution goes this is pretty much what an organisms ultimate goal is--to be able to survive no matter what the environmental condition). This has been done through the plants unique psychoactive qualities, which it itself has no use for (other than THC resin [trichromes] being secreted by the female during "mating" to catch male "fertilizer"... horny female pot plants make for really great buds to smoke!).

So why on earth would a plant develop to bring humans so much joy and happiness from it's being combusted? This is where the scientists postulate that the plant can actually sense and understand us, and knows that its species will survive and live on if they can provide an incentive for humans to CARE for them...
I don't think there's many plants out there being all like "damn, it's cold out here, I'm gonna make something to get that pesky human high so he'll bring me inside and keep me warm! I'll let him take clones of me and eventually my descendants will have a much better life than me!"

Lol I'm not sure how far I digressed from the OP... but coming full circle on it all I don't see how DMT could have survived this long on earth and throughout so many living things without it having extreme significance in our dimension/physical world as well as our mental state of being!

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I hate to go off on a tangent, but I believe that nature wastes nothing, and has purpose. Imagine, born on an island, alone with no teachers, who answers the big questions? Plants. They are ambassadors. They are there to be consumed. The psychedlic plants are there waiting for anyone hungering for answers

Is that so?