It has been a while since I have posted here, simply because life has been so busy for the past couple of years. Yet I finally procured a decent quantity of dmt freebase from a trusted source - though I would like to do my own pulls, time is prohibitive. Over the last year I have journeyed with the cactus and mushrooms 4 times, looking forward to the time when I could finally begin testing this molecule. That time has arrived.

Though in my younger years I fearlessly and foolishly went for heroic doses on shrooms, I am more cautious in these middle years of my life, as I do have responsibilities, a family to care for, a career I love and a growing business of my own. So I have elected to take baby steps, starting small and working my way up.

A simple glass dmt pipe was procured, and I read up on proper technique, and practiced melting and vaporizing without burning a miniscule amount, 2 mg. some mild physical effects were noted, but nothing to write home about. This was mostly just to practice technique.

An hour later, I increased the dose to 5 mg. I have read different accounts of the effects of low dosages, with some stating that the effects are primarily physical and non-visual until one crosses the 20mg range. Erowid states Threshold 2-5mg, Light 10-20mg.

I guess 'threshold' is relative to the power of the molecule. There was nothing 'threshold' about it.

I held the flame just about 5/8ths of an inch from the pipe, inhaling slowly, until the freebase melted and a white smoke began flowing through the pipe into my lungs. No burning - what is left is purely crystalline. I did not finish the dose, as I began feeling what you all describe as the carrier wave even as I was still taking that first small hit.

I set the pipe down, and the wave became a roar that filled all of my consciousness - it reminded me of the roar going through my head on a +5 shroom trip. Reality shifted. Although the room changed, there were no visuals to speak of, everything just looked different. I, however, felt as if I had been shot out of a cannon into a completely different ontological headspace. My first thought was "what have I done?" My second thought was "I chose to do this, and it will be over in a few minutes...so DON'T PANIC". Just hold on. And I did.

I had the urge to get up from my bed and walk, just move - I think it was the fight-or-flight reaction. I still had the presence of mind to NOT get up - to just lie there. There was certainly nothing "recreational" about it. All the while, the noise of the wave just grew louder and louder, and I felt the same rushing sensation one gets on high-dose shrooms or acid, but without the visuals.

After perhaps 3-4 minutes, this began to subside. The wave noise was gone within 6 or 7 minutes. I then felt lightly trippy, and in a great mood. This mood elevation and very light trippiness persisted for more than the 1 hour-after glow I have read about; more like 3 hours, when I felt drowsy, and fell asleep, sleeping solidly for 7 hours. I awoke, in an incredibly good mood, went and grabbed a mocha and a cigarette, and just admired the beauty of the trees and buildings where I now live, the radiance of the sun, the deep blue of the sky. Life is beautiful.

Is this a normal low-dose experience? I have a deep respect bordering on fear\terror for this chemical now. I have 10 mg in the pipe, ready to go. I am a bit perplexed by the lack of visuals even though the head trip was so powerful. Is this normal? Or did I end up with 5meo instead of NN?

I am also, for the first time ever, hesitant to dose without a sitter.

Thanks,

RealAwareness

Sounds like a the expected effect of the dose you loaded up, some people are able to completely break through on similar doses. I myself have only been dabbling in this range of experience since I did my first extraction in February, and it really does incite a fear and awe trying to imagine how exponentially further some reports seem to go. The threshold is really thin, and seems to vary even with the same batches of spice. I wouldn't rush a breakthrough if you don't feel compelled to.

Strangely, I felt I read this thread a few days ago? Maybe I'm just imagining it, because the date/time seems to insinuate otherwise...

Sounds like a light trip. Like they say... SMOKE MOAR!!
Which takes time to get up to that level. Some go full out and others just increase.
I think you did a good job! Just keep taking more in each time.
You will hear that wave, then pretty visuals will start. Then you break through a vail.
So you got to the sound and feeling of shrooms, acid kinda rush.

So you said there is 10mg in the pipe now? Did you add it? because you should always clear the pipe fully before adding more, or you will get whipped with a hight dose by accident. Clear the pipe before adding more.

Cheers!

Lol. If you did read it a few days ago, you must have time traveled, as last night was my first baby step Maybe a similar experience?

Thanks for the feedback and info. I'm thinking, if that is what 5 does, what must 25 be like? Or 50? Good lord, this stuff is powerful.

Well I think there is a point when you just break through and then you go in to a dream DMT land. You have time to look around and see things. I think the carrier wave stops and you have no body, just your mind. (dont quote me on this stuff though! Everyone has different trips, some are very fast speed and others take years in one trip!)
But when small doses happen I think there is this bit of worry fear and awe at the same time.
I personally have done only small doses. Maybe my largest unmeasured dose was 10mg, of which I sat up from laying down and was stuck in some colourfull room with OEV.

I havent had the will or time to dose large doses, do to my set and setting isnt complete. So small doses for fun for now.

All I gotta say. Take your time. You have your whole life to explore this drug. It IS very powerful and it is a spiritual drug that should be used with care.

Goodluck!

Electric;

Yes, I added it. And there is indeed still some crystalline residue left, thanks for the heads-up on clearing it first. Boy-oh-boy. This stuff is crazy. It's like you start where high-dose shrooms leaves off. Before I was like "I can't wait!" Now, I feel more like I'm approaching the event horizon of a black hole. Red Pill indeed.

Yup. Its a dilly alright!
I myself am stuck!
Jitters and all.
But the time will come.
Some just dose up huge and get slammed and then never go back again.
There is a learning curve while in there, so people say. Letting go of your ego.
But then I am sure you have researched this stuff and read all the reports.
Just take your time, thats all I gotta say.
With the dose still left and the new one. I think you will have a breakthough if you smoke it all until you fade.
What I have done in that situation of having a big dose and not wanting to do it. Is just do small hits.
Then come back to it later that day or another day and take another hit.
The other thing you could do is just put another screen in there with a new weighed batch melted and ready to go.
Then you can save that one you have for another time.

Thanks Electric - yes, I have read all the reports; have been researching and reading about this sacred molecule for a few years now. I am so thankful that the Nexus exists; otherwise I might have followed the advice of Gracie and Zarkov for a first time user, back in 1984:

"We recommend a dosage of about 40-50 mg....Dosages in excess of 55 mg...can be VERY heavy and are not recommended for first time users."

LOL. Where the hell did the extra zero come from.

From my mates experience, he could never break through on his own - always needed a sitter.
He couldn't light up properly nor see the smoke. He couldn't get enough in to go under. He recommends having a sitter, just in case you have a bad trip as well. Once coming down from a bad trip it seem's there is a need to tell someone about what you saw.

those people who havent recovered from comas might probably be just hanging out in the hyperspatial heaven.

Take this advice with a pinch of salt, as everyone is different. Personally I find the lower doses fairly unremarkable, you get an idea of the power but none / not much of the real experience until 20+mg. The initial rush can be pretty overwhelming / disconcerting, which is why I always recommend using harmalas in some form. That way you can load up say 25-35mg and toke away slowly until you reach the desired level. Once the DMT starts to take hold, the nerves begin to slip away and you can then get as much in you as possible before WHOOSH. Smoked freebase on its own can be terrifying due to the sheer intensity, if you build it up it isn't quite so fearsome IME.

You are right to approach this stuff with caution, it's no joke. How ever don't let that put you off a full experience. Sub breakthrough and breakthrough are two totally different beasts, you won't know what's hit you that first time, but you'll be glad you went that extra distance when you come back. If you are smoking correctly I see no real need to go beyond 40mg. Good luck, and be strong! it's what the Spice wants

Thanks P, reasuring to say the least.

Be Bold........

SMOALK MORE!!

DMT has a very intense body/head high. You will most certainly notice the physical aspects before the visual aspects. In low doses it is rather intimidating because the normal assumption is "well if I feel so weird right now I'm going to feel REALLY weird at 50mg!" It's just general fear of the unknown. I've had friends put down the pipe after a toke or two because they were too scared to go further. That being said, all my friends who've committed themselves and gone all the way have had nothing short of the most beautiful experiences. I find with DMT that you cross a threshold where your ego is forced to let go and all the fear subsides.

So my advice, smoke more. I'm all for responsible testing the waters, but honestly it's just not THAT necessary with DMT. As far as testing the waters I would say go 30mg and then 50mg. 30mg will give you what feels like the most visual mushroom trip of your life. 50mg is just unexplainable. But in both of those doses you're so overwhelmed by beautiful visuals that negative thoughts almost cease to exist (as long as you pay attention to set and setting of course). The problem is getting there. You just have to tell that little voice in your head to shut up and commit. Just focus on the smoking aspect. Before you know it you'll be in another world.

I really wish I could get that through your head Every time someones nervous and I tell them this they go "yeahhh maybe" and continue to pussy foot around with it. It's understandable, but it's not going to do anything to increase confidence. If you really must do a low dose do it with some soft post rock styled music like "The Mighty Rio Grande" by This Will Destroy You. Of course that's just a personal preference, but I find this style of music can make a light experience incredibly enjoyable and take ones mind off the physical aspects of the drug.

Edit: Also let me say this. 30mg of DMT was my first psychedelic experience ever. I had a BLAST and I am not by any means a hard head with these substances. You're just going to have to trust me on this one.

Thanks for the encouraging words, JacksonMetaller and to every one who has chimed in. Since that first post, I have elected to go with Changa to work my way up. The reason being that the physical effects like the cannon-shot \ carrier wave aren't this screaming, rip-the-top-off-my-skull type of thing. I almost gave up on it all-together, when I put 15mg of freebase on top of a solid changa hit, for a total of around 30mg. Wasn't ready for *that* lol. I don't know if anything can make you ready.

With that hit, my CEVs became intense rolling cylinders covered with glyphs. So intense I opened my eyes. When the CEVs remained with my eyes opened is when I broke the two fundamental rules of psychedelic use: Don't panic, and let go. Instead, as my apartment opened into a new dimension heretofore unseen: infinity - and flashing blue and red overlapping fractals overlay every angle of the walls, doors and insets, I sat straight up and yelled "Stop it"! For 13 minutes, pounding my fist onto the floor for emphasis, I kept my ego intact, which felt like a bubble or shell with a hurricane blowing over and around it. I could not let go into the experience, the feeling of loss of control, of surrendering the Self; despite all I had read, it was unexpected, unprepared for, and unwelcome. The funny thing is it worked: My Ego stayed intact in that little shell, while all around me was screaming Chaos - entering into full immersion CEVs with eyes wide open. After this, I proceeded to throw everything I had into the dumpster (which was a lot) and swore off psychedelics forever. That lasted 3 weeks

Up until that point, I had been using just Changa up to around 20mg dmt, and they were basically like super-dose shroom trips. With eyes closed, the experience was very much like lucid dreaming: full immersion 3D visuals. In one experience, I was flying though an endless self-replicating series of bright, multi-colored tubing. A deep, masculine voice told me "you must surrender to the molecule". I replied in defiance: "I will not surrender - I am myself!". I then experienced an ontological shift in perspective, seeing my life in terms of my selfishness and how I have harmed others, and cried out in grief at the pain I have been responsible for in others.

After my near freak-out "this is what infinity looks like" experience, I thought I was done for good. But Dmt is evidently not done with me. I have a fair amount of experience with other entheogens - shrooms, lsd, cactus, some of the synthetic tryptamines and phenylethylamines. I am 45, and am coming off a 10 year break in the use of psychedelics, primarily to help in the process of understanding and dealing with major life transitions. I love going to that deep inner space of pure eidetic imagination and cognition. Prior to my resumed psychedelic use, I had began a fairly serious samadhi, or concentration meditation practice. After learning of the jhanas, advanced states of consciousness one can achieve in samadhi, my practice intensified, and I had many experiences of sublime stillness, peace, and bliss. I have years of practice ahead of me, however, before attaining the immaterial jhanas, one of which takes for its object of concentration "the base of infinite consciousness". Gotta like that, and you don't need to extract anything Just commit 1 to 2 hours a day to sitting for a very, very long, time. And I think in the end it will definitely be worth it. It's already worth it, and I am nowhere close to what is possible by samadhi meditation adepts.

However, my adventure\curiosity streak is very strong - I want to know what lies behind the curtain. I want to take the red pill, and don't want to wait for 10 more years of insight and concentration meditation to peer behind the veil. A very unbuddhist thing, to want. But I have changed many things in my life: lost 65 pounds, eat less and eat healthy, exercise daily, a good meditation practice, leaving a city I hated for a job I loathed to do something I love in a place I love living. Experiencing a complete paradigm shift in my worldview. All of this before resuming entheogens. But the biggest changes are most likely still in front of me.

The biggest challenge I have now is deciding what to do about my (estranged and separated) marriage: I am an ex-Catholic as of a couple of years ago, my wife is devout ultra-Orthodox. It's pointless to even bring up my psychedelic use with her; when I've tried, it's turned into one long fight. So I had to hide my use. I can't be myself with her. And we are now separated; not so that I can use entheogens, but so that I can be myself and not be condemned for it.

Obviously some heavy shit to deal with, but I feel mushrooms and empathogenic phenyls like 25i especially have helped to process it all a lot quicker, and to have empathy and compassion for my spouse, and to figure out if we are supposed to be a couple, or even if that is possible, since I can't be me without our marriage being nothing but fighting.

So that's my set - that, and the fact that I am happier living apart from her, in the setting of my own residence, in addition to the one I provide for her and our kids, whom I see on the weekends (and that isn't enough). But the funny thing is, I'm starting to feel I've gotten all I can out of other psychedelics, except maybe high-dose cactus and lsd thumbprints lol, and I have no desire to trip for 2 days. DMT is different. I don't feel like I am taking DMT. I feel like DMT is taking me.

At 24mg (dmt weight, 1/3 of changa weight) I am at the point where I almost freaked - it hit me and I was like, oh shit, I've taken too much! I then saw how following that sequence of thought would and could lead to a bad dmt experience - that I really did need to just relax and let go. And I did. The CEVs were spectacular - I beheld a spectacular green vortex leading into a tunnel, and then I was flying through tunnels filled with impossible, unimaginable objects. There was the most incredible sense of deja vu I have ever experienced - I ended up in a room, and knew I had been here before; it was like home in some transcendent sense. My inner eyes looked around, at this alien room, with alien objects morphing on the walls. There were no entities in this experience, though I have heard them and seen shadows of them in many of my 20mg experiences.

I felt the beginnings of ego-fragmentation, as part of my consciousness tripped on one thing, part on another, and a third observing the first two parts. It was the most intense and psychedelic experience I have ever had, and I came out of it filled with utter awe - and I know I have only scratched the surface. These are sub-breakthrough trips. I find for me that the dose-response curve is about 3mg for every doubling in intensity. 14mg is mild. 17 is like a medium-strong shroom trip. 20 mg is like a very strong shroom trip, with some stuff thrown in that I can't even explicate; it's pure insanity. Self-replicating candy bars and fields of waving gumdrops? Lol. 24 mg is the point where I have to let go of the self or experience a panic-reaction in response to the Ego feeling threatened (because, well, it is).

I do think bumping it up to 27, then 30, are next on my list. I hear that breakthroughs are a whole different category to sub-breakthrough doses, and I believe it. It does give me some apprehension, and I think before I attempt 30 or higher, I will want a sitter. My main concern is that I'll try to hold on to my Ego, my Self, instead of letting go, and experience a panic reaction as a result. I think having an experienced sitter with me when I do go for it will help me relax into it.

As for now, though, I am actually getting a lot out of the 20-24mg dose range, especially with the harmalas in the Changa softening the hurricane-scream of the carrier wave I felt with pure freebase and enhancing, coloring, lengthening and slowing down the experience somewhat. And since every experience is either enjoyable or worthwhile, even ones in which my flaws are brought into view and I see myself from a perspective outside of myself (or maybe especially those ones, though how is that even possible) I think my motives are good. I also don't dive in very often. It is with awe and trepidation that I approach this tool.

I don't care if I end up with more questions, as long as some of the ones I have now are answered. But I would like to see if Hyperspace is "Real" or "More Real", or just entering so deeply into the virtual reality machine we call the brain that it "seems" Real. I just have to see and judge for myself. Exploration is one of the motives, but not the strongest. After the 30mg experience in which I spent 13 minutes holding on to my ego for dear life, I don't think I'd be doing this if I wasn't in some sense being called to.

Thanks Everyone. I appreciate all the feedback.

RealAwareness

Didn't realize this post was so old LOL. It's good to hear things are coming around in your life and that you're finding a happy place.

If you want my honest advice the next step is just 45-50mg. If it becomes too much and genuinely turns bad you could always quit smoking early and just ride out the subbreakthrough. But tell yourself you're going to go all the way and commit to that otherwise. Don't be apprehended by fear of the unknown. The DMT elves for me seem to make the journey very difficult. Almost as if they only want the most committed passengers into their land (note that this is just what it FEELS like, I'm not crazy ). The ride up is intimidating and feels like the spirits don't want you to go any further. But once you enter hyperspace they are incredibly friendly. You don't need to let go of your ego on that kind of dose, your ego is obliterated for you. I have literally felt myself cross the threshold from an uncomfortable trip to the most unbelievable euphoria simply by smoking more. It's one of those things that once you do you want to grab a megaphone and tell the whole world. It's like "WHY HAVE I NOT DONE THIS BEFORE!! WHAT WAS I AFRAID OF! everyone needs to try this!!!" for at least a solid hour afterwords.

I understand though. Flipping your reality inside out isn't the easiest thing to jump in to. But it's well worth it my friend I can't say much for changa though. I've only done it once and while the ego-death ranges on it were absolutely magnificent, it, to me, is absolutely NOTHING like freebase. I enjoy the absurdity of a freebase breakthrough much more.

Honestly a lot of this stuff is just people getting psyched out because of what they've read. If there's anything I could advise to someone considering it, don't read everything about it! All the people I know who've watched spirit molecule and read hundreds of reports are terrified of the drug because of it's "intensity." All my friends who've never heard about it had no idea what to expect and went in with a light heart and so far they've all enjoyed it.

Hey OP. I can really relate to your story, the intensity of the experience and even the same "self talk" when the trip came on.

I obtained some DMT from a friend around 3 months ago. I cut the bottom of a 1.25l coke bottle off and replaced it with Foil, taped it up and made it airtight.

I dumped the Orange Waxy DMT into the bottle and began to vaporize it in a similar way that I had been taught to smoke Amphetamine. I vaporized until the bottle was full of smoke and took 1 large inhale, it instantly coated my tongue in a disgusting chemical taste.

I took the 2nd inhale and all of a sudden it's exactly like you describe OP, I was suddenly catapulted into a completely different headspace, except I couldn't tell what had changed. I decided to go inside to my bedroom and go on the internet. I went on Facebook and I read every post without any prejudice, it was strange taking everything so literally.