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#1 Posted : 3/6/2012 10:14:54 PM
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I have had a "ritual" of redissolving freebase DMT crystals in acetone, just to make sure there's no solvent traces left. I've done it each time... But I wonder, is it really possible that there is solvent trapped inside the crystals? Would just finely chopping them and keeping the crystals in open air for 48 hours do the job just as well?
 

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#2 Posted : 3/6/2012 10:23:10 PM

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Oh yeah it can most definitely happen that crystals have trapped solvents, this has been documented already. I made a post about it with extended info and published sources in this thread (which funny enough you also posted in Very happy )

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=290812#post290812

Chopping up and letting it air dry will most certainly help, but there still can be traces. Are these traces, if ingested occasionally, harmful, or, can the elves get angry with petrochem in your system, who knows? Laughing

Personally I just preffer crystallizing products I will ingest using non-harmful chemicals specially at the last step (like water crystallization of dmt freebase like in BLAB tek, etc), but each one to their own. Be informed, and make your decision Smile
 
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#3 Posted : 3/6/2012 10:26:56 PM

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I think a fact of life is that there are MANY contaminants (especially solvents) in ALL the products we use, including some foods, vitamins for foods, etc. NO chemical process is perfect and NO purification process is perfect.

The best thing is to use solvents that are relatively safe in tiny concentrations. In that regard, about the only common solvent that has been discovered to be a risk is benzene--because a single molecule of it can intercalate into a single DNA molecule of a single cell--and perhaps cause a replication error in that cell which will give rise to a transformed cell, which can turn into a cancer.

TINY amounts--such as the occasional molecule caught in a crystal structure--of the solvents we use in extractions aren't a problem.
 
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#4 Posted : 3/6/2012 10:30:30 PM

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endlessness wrote:
...Are these traces ingested occasionally harmful...who knows?...


Again, I think the pertinent answer lies in considering just how many OTHER sources of these things we're subjected to on a daily basis. A single inhalation in an apartment that has just had a new carpet installed might subject you to more solvent exposure than a LIFETIME of use of DMT extractions. Thought about in those terms (and with regard to carcinogenic potential of PARTICULAR molecules--which AREN'T what we tend to use), the risk doesn't seem important.
 
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#5 Posted : 3/6/2012 10:46:51 PM

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Yep, I mentioned that in the thread linked above, specially those living in big cities are constantly subjected to all kinds of chemicals (including benzene). But then many questions arise, of course.. If we take it to the extreme, should we just not care and not even air dry our DMT and smoke it still 'moist', or should we take a big sniff out of the new carpet? Or maybe we should let the windows open when new carpet is installed, and let dmt air dry for a couple of hours? Or maybe we should just not have a new carpet and find some other natural material and just not use petrochemicals for crystallizing a product we are going to consume? There is a great variety of responses we can have given that there are all these chemicals around us, infinite shades of decisions between the extremes,and I guess each one has to decide for their own.

Two more things to consider:

You arent smoking a new carpet, but most people are smoking their DMT.. The combustion can lead to other byproducts that are more harmful than the original substance (this goes for DMT too, though, not just the possible petrochem trapped in it), so its another reason to try to be cleaner.

And yet another aspect to consider... When you are inhaling the air around that new carpet, you usually arent going into an extremely sensitive altered state of consciousness.. In fact, I would even make the hypothesis that if you were tripping, you might actually feel sick around that new carpet and want to leave the room. Now, what about directly inhaling that small amount of hydrocarbon solvent in your dmt, and then going to hyperspace, isnt it a possibility that it can be disturbing, consciously or unconsciously?

As I mentioned in the other linked thread, there is a significant taste difference between DMT crystallized with naphtha, for example (even if very properly air dried), versus DMT crystallized out of water such as when converting fumarates to freebase, as explained in BLAB tek. The taste of petrochemicals are very clearly there when they were used (maybe i'll get some help and do a blind test some day) , and if you vaporize that DMT and have a certain tension in your muscles as a reaction to the taste or whatever, I think that just might affect the trip. Maybe not, but its just one more "card" on the table im putting out, that each one has to take it as they see fit.

Now, let me end this by saying im not a naive "natural" health nut, and that I think there are worse things in this world, but from my own experience it does make a difference to crystallize DMT otherwise, and I am of the opinion that, if its not a stress, its not some pathological extreme, and if doesnt take so much effort, why not avoid things that might not be so healthy?

Each one to their own though, I certainly know before I reached where I am now, I smoked enough dmt with solvent traces and im very healthy (I think Pleased ) , but right now I think differently and follow my heart regarding the preparation of products that go inside my body.
 
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#6 Posted : 3/6/2012 11:50:52 PM

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I prefer to freeze precip, dry. Then crush/stir/dry again for a few days. Repeat until a closed container yields minimal/nothing but DMT smell.

Then I leave it in an open container in the freezer, where the cold exhaust vents directly into the spice jar. I keep crushing/mixing/stirring until it is as fine as a nice cornstarch.

Keeping it very cold helps to prevent excess clumping/trapping of potentially unpleasant chems IMO, and can be brought back up to room temp and 'tamped down' into clumps for easier loading into smokin' apparatus.

I keep mine under that freezer vent all the time, keeps it cold and dry, and blows off any further potential outgassing if it might occur at small quantities.
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#7 Posted : 3/7/2012 10:25:46 AM
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Thanks endlessness, I didn't notice your post under which I posted in the other thread...

Can you give me a link to the BLAB water crystallisation?

Well I think I'll continue redissolving them. Only thing that bothers me about it is the noticeable color change even when starting with angel white crystals.
 
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#8 Posted : 3/7/2012 10:54:01 AM

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For all extraction teks, click the WIKI link below the Nexus banner, then on the main page you can see a Science box on your left side, and click Extraction teks, and there you can find under 'STB-A/B hybrids' the BLAB tek, and at there you have the conversion step.

Tele, how about you do the following, leave a dose (or two or three) without redissolving, and try it compared to the ones you redissolve, and see how it feels for you. Once or twice wont damage you even if you decide its not good after trying, and then you are deciding for yourself and not following what anybody said.

And dont forget to let us know Smile
 
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endlessness wrote:
For all extraction teks, click the WIKI link below the Nexus banner, then on the main page you can see a Science box on your left side, and click Extraction teks, and there you can find under 'STB-A/B hybrids' the BLAB tek, and at there you have the conversion step.

Tele, how about you do the following, leave a dose (or two or three) without redissolving, and try it compared to the ones you redissolve, and see how it feels for you. Once or twice wont damage you even if you decide its not good after trying, and then you are deciding for yourself and not following what anybody said.

And dont forget to let us know Smile


thanks.
I've tried non redissolved air dried spice and didn't notice much difference. I think the difference is in thougts of possible slight damage from inhaling solvent traces. I don't think the smoke is harsher or the effects different(at least noticeably)
 
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#10 Posted : 3/7/2012 9:05:35 PM

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endlessness wrote:
Yep, I mentioned that in the thread linked above, specially those living in big cities are constantly subjected to all kinds of chemicals (including benzene). But then many questions arise, of course.. If we take it to the extreme, should we just not care and not even air dry our DMT and smoke it still 'moist'....

Right. One should try to minimize bad things--not ignore them. My was point was only that if one IS going to get sick from chemical solvents (and one uses extracted DMT in any sort of reasonable manner) one could probably comfort themselves with the knowledge that they probably would have gotten sick anyway--and that DMT extracted with the solvents we use is probably NOT the cause.
 
 
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