May be a stupid question but whats the difference?

so should the 4:1 be about 4x as strong?

can the 4:1 still be used with pharma, changa and ayahuasca brews?

planning on making an order and just ran across the 4:1 for not much more then the regular powder so now i do not know what to go with.

If your talking about the 4:1 caapi powder from for*es*tr*x: its more like 1x and its only caapi bark, and so it only contains harmine- or what endless analyzed only had harmine, at least. It also has maltodextrin added to it

It was ok but brewing it was a serious pain since its powder. And it was pretty weak overall. I would just get some full on vine personally

As UC said, this wasn't what it is said to be, so don't buy a kilo as gfew of us did here thinking youn will extraxct it for changa and pharma or simply brew 20 grams of it for a quick and easy aya cause it won"'t happened
you'll need to eat- yes eat the powder as is as a 1:1 so it's quite a lot of crap to ingest, I personnally use it daily as microdose caapi cause the harmnine is still there but hwta a pain to eat a kilo !!!
I'd suggest you buy either some real caapi elsewhere, some proper potent vine. Check maya if europe or else in U.S.
Supplier section is always good to check !

i think the 4x produced decent yields with an ipa soak.

alot more than finely shredded whole bark did at least, this could probably be because of it´s very fine form.

Did you extract it this way ? If yes did you jsut crude exptract with IPA and evap onto leaf or anything to make crude harmalas or what did you do exactly ?

Yeah just a crude ipa soak for 2weeks. then i boiled the powder to get anything that was left out.

I used about 0,5grams of this red shiny powder to 2grams of dmt in changa and it felt like a nice ratio.

4:1 forest rx done me gooood!

sooo..1:1? are you saying that the 4:1 forestrx is same potency as straight caapi?

In my experience it's much closer to 2:1. Definitely not 4:1, but I wouldn't be getting visions from 25g of straight caapi (usually) while I will from the Fores*t**R**x powder.

I did only TLC with this vendor's stuff, and it only had harmine spot. But its possible the THH/harmaline was just in very small amounts and I couldnt see, a GC-MS would tell better.. In any case its mostly harmine. Not that this is a bad thing, a lot of caapi is mostly harmine. If I still can find the sample Ill try to send to GC-MS



Hmmm, I would suspect you lost a lot of alkaloids because IPA is very bad solvent for harmalas IME. Next time try doing an A/B after the soak or instead soaking with ethanol.



By the way guys, lets keep the supplier talk in the supplier section or at least edit a bit the names as I did, or add a link to supplier section isntead of naming it.. Thanks

so even if its 2:1 id still get a little more bang for my buck.
so how much would u guess for an maoi dose? 30grams give or take?

being that its mainly just harmine am i better off just going with rue?

I made aya with the powder after ipa soak so no love lost i hope

That is what i meant with that i boiled it.

30g will be very nice for most people, above 50g it become a bit uncomfortable for me, I think more due to consuming the powder than anything else.

Maybe this can be of use to the 4:1 mystery.

4:1 was brewed. It was allowed to settle for a forgotten amount of time and the sediment was removed. This was done twice over the course of a month.

The then "sediment free" brew was allowed to sit cold for ~4 months. This yielded some interesting results.

This first picture: left most jar is the is top liquid layer. The middle jar is the bottom of the uppermost liquid layer. The right jar is the bottom sediment.

Note that the sediment jar's contents would not fit through the neck of the bottle that aged it, so it demanded several hard thrusts to break the jelly-like sediment to allow it to flow.

The second picture: this is the middle jar, close up. the interface b/t sediment and liquid. these chunks you can see here will re-dissolve if shaken.

The third picture: the purest liquid layer was reheated. This is the brew on the right. The left jar is a hawaiian quality caapi that was settled out and reheated in the same fashion as the 4:1. Visibly there was very little difference. Essences differed however.

My hopes are that this may shed some light on the mystery why the 4:1 doesn't behave normally and is so difficult to work with. To me there seems to be some kind of gunk that gets in the way of a clear brew. My long-settle revealed some kind of congealing substance. Perhaps this substance is what makes this powder an ideal pancake batter and difficult to brew with. Perhaps there would be a way to accelerate the congealing process and make a cleaner so-called 4:1 tea.