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YTXian
#1 Posted : 12/12/2011 3:28:30 AM

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After reading through Icemans' recent post about DMT insulfulation an idea:idea: occured to someone-

FYI; a 'hot rail' is the term used by some to refer to a line of amphetamine (meth, but maybe this is done with other substances too IDK) that is insulfulated with a glass tube that has been heated with a torch on one end so that it is red hot. When the line passes through the tube it is instantly vaporized. This has the effect of seeing someone snort a line through the nose or sucking it up through the mouth and then exhaling and enormous cloud of smoke as if they had just taken a toke off a pipe.

Someone decided to try this and got a glass/pyrex tube which I heated with a torch and then streched and kinda bent back and forth to make the end wavy and thin so that any spice passing through it wouldn't take a straight route through the tube. This is to avoid any molten hot material from reaching someones nasal or throat tissue and acting like napalm- sticking to and burning into the flesh.
Such a thing has been known to happen but only when large amounts of substance are consumed all at once this way and a large enuf section of glass isn't heated sufficiently.

The results?

Successful!
Someone was not willing to try this through the nasal passage yet untill someone is certain the above mentioned tragedy won't happen but, this person did try inhaling through the mouth and was quite pleased with the large amount of spice he could instantly vaporize and inhale in one quick toke.

I suspect that a terrifyingly large amount of spice could be consumed rapidly in one breath this way but don't realy feel the need to do that. Nor does YT have the balls to try it!Laughing
There was alot of residue left in the tip of the glass indicating to me that the bending of the glass to avert a direct passage is a good call.
With greater heating over a larger section of the glass straw all of the spice could be vaporized without leaving any residue behind.
This instantly vaporized dose would expand in the lungs probably so if someone does this they should play with it for a few before 'diving into the deep end' so to speak.
In this world there are adults and there are children. In fact the world is filled with children; they are angry and hurt, frightened and abused, lazy and ignorant, stubborn and hateful. The world hates an adult and they would rather cause their peers to fail at any venture of self improvement before having to step up and improve their selves so as to maintain pecking order and evidence of the lowley opinion they have of each other. The best of them enslave the others so that they all consume and destroy all there lives in order to satisfy their immense greed claiming that they are providing a future for their legacy and never question the possibility of doing better in order to leave a real future for the children they will leave behind on this, our Earth. They pretend that it is impossible and when cornered they admit their apathy saying that they won't be around to suffer the out come. They hate the adults for exposing their immense weekness. The total failure that they call success. Mean while the adults strive to minimize their own impact and perpetually work to undo the damage already done. The adults who already know; they are the children of tomorrow.
 

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Coastal_Shaman
#2 Posted : 12/12/2011 4:47:37 AM

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Sounds like It would hurt even more than just some good ol' fashion burnt spice(also sucks).. If your going to heat it anyway you might as well just vape it through your mouth, or snort it straight without heat. Either way if your doing it up the nose it's gonna burn like Hell.. I don't mean to sound negative or anything just my thoughts.
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#3 Posted : 12/12/2011 8:12:04 AM

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I'm not trying this... Imagine snorting a puddle of boiling, liquefied spice...
 
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#4 Posted : 12/12/2011 8:16:31 AM

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Uhhhhh? i think im going to pass on this one...
 
YTXian
#5 Posted : 12/12/2011 11:40:06 AM

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LOL! I guess the way I posted this doesn't exactly highlight the positive aspects!
Sorry. Just trying to make sure that if anyone does try this they are cautious with full consideration of taking the right precautions.

IN FACT IT DOES NOT BURN. NOR IS IT HARSH.

I agree that "good ol' fashion burnt spice(also sucks)".

This was thought of as a solution to that very problem. It was found that a large dose could be inhaled almost instantly. The spice only passes through the throat for a breif second in a highly compacted vapor. Far to breif to cause the typical burning discomfort of a long slow pull on a pipe.

This method was found to be smoother and easier than anything else someone has tried (and I hear that someone has tried almost everything).
In this world there are adults and there are children. In fact the world is filled with children; they are angry and hurt, frightened and abused, lazy and ignorant, stubborn and hateful. The world hates an adult and they would rather cause their peers to fail at any venture of self improvement before having to step up and improve their selves so as to maintain pecking order and evidence of the lowley opinion they have of each other. The best of them enslave the others so that they all consume and destroy all there lives in order to satisfy their immense greed claiming that they are providing a future for their legacy and never question the possibility of doing better in order to leave a real future for the children they will leave behind on this, our Earth. They pretend that it is impossible and when cornered they admit their apathy saying that they won't be around to suffer the out come. They hate the adults for exposing their immense weekness. The total failure that they call success. Mean while the adults strive to minimize their own impact and perpetually work to undo the damage already done. The adults who already know; they are the children of tomorrow.
 
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#6 Posted : 12/12/2011 7:09:35 PM

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YTXian wrote:
This method was found to be smoother and easier than anything else someone has tried (and I hear that someone has tried almost everything).

Has "someone" tried the GVG?
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Coastal_Shaman
#7 Posted : 12/12/2011 7:48:36 PM

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The other thing I might be concerned about is the tool itself, not the spice. I have a tendency every now and then to blast off before finishing my first hit. This results in holding my gvg through the whole trip. With a gvg its no big deal because right after I take a hit the thing is still only somewhat warm, barely ever hot. I would hate to blast off mid hit with a hotrail and leave a 400*+ piece of glassware in my lap or hand for ten minutes. To me this seems about as safe as an auto lock feature on a torch lighter.

The less things I have to worry about going into the trip, means the more things I get to pay attention to and learn from on the trip.
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#8 Posted : 12/13/2011 2:01:33 AM

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Gibran2- Someone has a vapor genie but not a GVG because, belive it or not, around here none of the head shops have ever even heard of a GLASS vapor genie. Someone would love to try one though as he gets ok results with his vapor genie only 50% of the time and it has burn marks in the wood and the stone seems to be shrinking. Often it ignites and smokes because he can't see in it to see if he's even vaping or not.
Coastal-Shaman; yes, I've considered that. It is probably advisable to have assistence for that very reason. Though I would add that because the whole dose can be inhaled in one quick sniff and a second toke is not necessary there is a little bit more time to get situated before launch
In this world there are adults and there are children. In fact the world is filled with children; they are angry and hurt, frightened and abused, lazy and ignorant, stubborn and hateful. The world hates an adult and they would rather cause their peers to fail at any venture of self improvement before having to step up and improve their selves so as to maintain pecking order and evidence of the lowley opinion they have of each other. The best of them enslave the others so that they all consume and destroy all there lives in order to satisfy their immense greed claiming that they are providing a future for their legacy and never question the possibility of doing better in order to leave a real future for the children they will leave behind on this, our Earth. They pretend that it is impossible and when cornered they admit their apathy saying that they won't be around to suffer the out come. They hate the adults for exposing their immense weekness. The total failure that they call success. Mean while the adults strive to minimize their own impact and perpetually work to undo the damage already done. The adults who already know; they are the children of tomorrow.
 
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#9 Posted : 12/13/2011 5:38:39 AM

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YTXian wrote:
Gibran2- Someone has a vapor genie but not a GVG because, belive it or not, around here none of the head shops have ever even heard of a GLASS vapor genie. Someone would love to try one though as he gets ok results with his vapor genie only 50% of the time and it has burn marks in the wood and the stone seems to be shrinking. Often it ignites and smokes because he can't see in it to see if he's even vaping or not.
Coastal-Shaman; yes, I've considered that. It is probably advisable to have assistence for that very reason. Though I would add that because the whole dose can be inhaled in one quick sniff and a second toke is not necessary there is a little bit more time to get situated before launch


You can only order the GVG (or shall we say Glass Sherlock VG) on Vaporgenie's website !

Where are you from ? If you aren't living in the USA you will have to pay steep import duties though (I live in western europe and had to pay 40โ‚ฌ).
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#10 Posted : 12/13/2011 6:51:41 AM

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justine wrote:
YTXian wrote:
Gibran2- Someone has a vapor genie but not a GVG because, belive it or not, around here none of the head shops have ever even heard of a GLASS vapor genie. Someone would love to try one though as he gets ok results with his vapor genie only 50% of the time and it has burn marks in the wood and the stone seems to be shrinking. Often it ignites and smokes because he can't see in it to see if he's even vaping or not.
Coastal-Shaman; yes, I've considered that. It is probably advisable to have assistence for that very reason. Though I would add that because the whole dose can be inhaled in one quick sniff and a second toke is not necessary there is a little bit more time to get situated before launch


You can only order the GVG (or shall we say Glass Sherlock VG) on Vaporgenie's website !

Where are you from ? If you aren't living in the USA you will have to pay steep import duties though (I live in western europe and had to pay 40โ‚ฌ).


I'm sorry but this is incorrect. I purchased mine from a headshop in my city. It's just that not all shops carry them.
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#11 Posted : 12/13/2011 7:41:05 AM

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#12 Posted : 12/14/2011 8:35:35 AM

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Well, it must rock because every time I read a post and the GVG comes up the whole thing just gets highjacked and turns into a big comercial for vapor genie!
I live in Denver Colorado USA belive it or not and no, there are no GVGs in any of the headshops around here. We do have alot of cool vaporizers called a 'Volcano' though and I belive they are a local product.
In this world there are adults and there are children. In fact the world is filled with children; they are angry and hurt, frightened and abused, lazy and ignorant, stubborn and hateful. The world hates an adult and they would rather cause their peers to fail at any venture of self improvement before having to step up and improve their selves so as to maintain pecking order and evidence of the lowley opinion they have of each other. The best of them enslave the others so that they all consume and destroy all there lives in order to satisfy their immense greed claiming that they are providing a future for their legacy and never question the possibility of doing better in order to leave a real future for the children they will leave behind on this, our Earth. They pretend that it is impossible and when cornered they admit their apathy saying that they won't be around to suffer the out come. They hate the adults for exposing their immense weekness. The total failure that they call success. Mean while the adults strive to minimize their own impact and perpetually work to undo the damage already done. The adults who already know; they are the children of tomorrow.
 
 
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