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#1 Posted : 11/21/2011 12:35:09 PM

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Hi peeps,

Some questions.

I recently made infused herbs (Spearmint, passion flower and Jasmine very sensual) anyway it was in a 1:1 ratio and I initially thought that 30mg would be enough as this is a breakthrough dose for me freebasing.

In the end I had to push the changa dose up to about 50-60 mg, even though it is 1:1 is this a general rule that you may need to increase your smoking on infused herbs, secondly can you keep dipping back into the smoke, take another hit halfway through? Even if you had taken large amount of smoke and DMT initially?

Secondly I plan to make proper Change with Caapi vine.

My intension is to use a Herbal percolator, this suits my purposes well, cooking is not really an option.

At the end of this process I would have a tea. So if reduce this teat down to? Say a 1/3rd by boiling, I should have some concentrated liquid.

Next questions are.

I need to first make the water acidic, I can do this through fumic acid or even vinegar? How much so I add to the water?

Can I just soak a herb or even a bit of vine in the liquid and add that to the changa to smoke. This bring up the question of if I know the dose I would be smoking?

Or once I have a concentrated tea, can I get the alkaloids into a solid form and then add a specific amount to the changa?

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#2 Posted : 11/21/2011 1:08:53 PM

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To dose Changa, if it is 1:1 you will need to dose twice what you would use with freebase - ie if it normally takes 30 mg to break through, dose 60 mg Changa, and you will be smoking approx 30mg DMT. If you can dip in and smoke again half way through, IMO you didn't get enough first time round! I often smoke a 'handshake' dose of about 15mg (30mg Changa) before smoking the main event of 50-60 mg Changa (25-30mg DMT) You will still have residual harmalas and Spice from the first dose, which seems to ease the transition for the heavier dose for me any way.

If you want to keep Changa going for hours, weigh up 5 or so doses and have them waiting, that way you can load yourself back up once you regain awareness of your body and go right back in without too much faffing about to ground you further. I would start off with maybe 2-3 doses the first time you attempt this though, there's no need to push yourself, just do what feels right at the time...

As for caapi extraction, I'm not familiar with your kit, I just use Gibran2's easy Caapi vine extraction for lovely caapi alks. I recommend you give that a try...

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#3 Posted : 11/21/2011 1:43:19 PM

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Purges wrote:
To dose Changa, if it is 1:1 you will need to dose twice what you would use with freebase - ie if it normally takes 30 mg to break through, dose 60 mg Changa, and you will be smoking approx 30mg DMT. If you can dip in and smoke again half way through, IMO you didn't get enough first time round! I often smoke a 'handshake' dose of about 15mg (30mg Changa) before smoking the main event of 50-60 mg Changa (25-30mg DMT) You will still have residual harmalas and Spice from the first dose, which seems to ease the transition for the heavier dose for me any way.

If you want to keep Changa going for hours, weigh up 5 or so doses and have them waiting, that way you can load yourself back up once you regain awareness of your body and go right back in without too much faffing about to ground you further. I would start off with maybe 2-3 doses the first time you attempt this though, there's no need to push yourself, just do what feels right at the time...

As for caapi extraction, I'm not familiar with your kit, I just use Gibran2's easy Caapi vine extraction for lovely caapi alks. I recommend you give that a try...

Happy journeys!


Thanks the 2 to 1 dosing is what I thought.

the herbal percolator! https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/The_Herbal_Percolator as I indicated cooking is not an option for me.
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#4 Posted : 11/21/2011 2:10:27 PM

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Interesting! I may try this myself! Let me know how it goes should you try it. You could also percolate, drink the liquid and then smoke your enhanced leaf mix for a Vapohuasca experience, which is apparently very pleasant, and my next port of call for DMT experimentations.

Also you can make 10x caapi by soaking 10 grams of vine in some IPA for a month, strain the plant matter out and evap onto herbs for added harmala goodness, no cooking involved in tat technique either... Cool
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#5 Posted : 11/21/2011 4:03:23 PM

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Purges wrote:
Interesting! I may try this myself! Let me know how it goes should you try it. You could also percolate, drink the liquid and then smoke your enhanced leaf mix for a Vapohuasca experience, which is apparently very pleasant, and my next port of call for DMT experimentations.

Also you can make 10x caapi by soaking 10 grams of vine in some IPA for a month, strain the plant matter out and evap onto herbs for added harmala goodness, no cooking involved in tat technique either... Cool


Ok thanks, the percolorator seems a good choice. Appart from the amount I get out, would 10 grams in the percolorator produce a 10x strength tea. Is this an ok dosage?
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