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AlbertKLloyd
#41 Posted : 10/23/2011 4:54:59 AM

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do you not understand what parts of matter in the immediate vicinity compromise you and what parts compromise the chair or computer for example

do you not understand that the chair and you are in and of the same universe?
 

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#42 Posted : 10/23/2011 5:17:23 AM
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AlbertKLloyd wrote:
Perderabo wrote:

do you not understand what parts of matter in the immediate vicinity compromise you and what parts compromise the chair or computer for example

do you not understand that the chair and you are in and of the same universe?


If that is the way you see the world why dont you go into a shop and just take whatever you want without paying for it since there is no difference between you and the universe therefor all the things in the shop are you and how can you get into trouble for taking what is you?

but comeon lets be serious here. there is a clear and distinct difference between what is me and what is not me
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#43 Posted : 10/23/2011 5:32:03 AM

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Perderabo wrote:

do you not understand what parts of matter in the immediate vicinity compromise you and what parts compromise the chair or computer for example

do you not understand that you are in and of the universe?
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My view is that being alive divides this near infinite universe into 2 parts. This tiny little bit called me and then everything else. Once i die the devision will be over and i will be apart of the universe again

what reasoning is there in supposing that you are not part of the universe?
as for parts of matter, is a hat you or the universe?
what about hair? it is not innervated, so you cannot feel it
What about the bacteria in your gut?

do you claim that it is your understanding that you are separate from the universe but that a chair and a computer are not?
does that make sense to you?
are you implying that someone who asks you about it lacks your understanding that you have yet to express?
that to think that a computer and a chair are part of the universe but that you are not is wisdom? if the division between you and the computer is good enough to make that demarcation, then the division between the chair and the computer also implies that they are not in the same universe, likewise it implies that no two things or entities are in the same universe, it is a slippery slope
to use the same logic, your fingernails and you are not in the same universe, because they are distinct
your right arm and left likewise so on and so forth

if you are right, and for all i know you may be, then your being separated from the universe cannot be based upon the distinction of objects from one another, otherwise your eyeballs are in separate universes... but if you can interact with the computer and sit in the chair, and otherwise take up time and space in the universe then you seem to be a part of it, made of it etc

do you feel as if it is alien to you and you to it?
that is a common perception among specific types of people
that through death they will return or come home

but i would love more of an explanation of the mechanism, rather than an exposition of the perception.

 
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#44 Posted : 10/23/2011 5:48:25 AM
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ofcourse i understand i am a part of the universe. but that does not mean i am the universe. my graphics card is a part of my computer. it is not my whole computer. my finger is a part of my body. it is not my whole body. there is a clear and distinct difference between my finger and my ear. in the same way me, my computer and my chair are apart of the same universe. but i am not my chair and neither am i my computer. there is a distinct difference
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#45 Posted : 10/23/2011 6:02:07 AM

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ofcourse i understand i am a part of the universe. but that does not mean i am the universe.

nor does it mean you are not the universe
 
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#46 Posted : 10/23/2011 11:53:29 AM
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i am off the universe i am not the whole universe so please stop being obtuse. it is not hard to understand that you are not the sun, or the earth or a chair. If you are convinced that you are a chair you probably need proffesional help
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#47 Posted : 10/23/2011 3:47:06 PM

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Perderabo wrote:
i am off the universe i am not the whole universe so please stop being obtuse. it is not hard to understand that you are not the sun, or the earth or a chair. If you are convinced that you are a chair you probably need proffesional help

who said you were the whole universe?
who said a sun or the earth was?

how can you say that of the universe is not the universe?
is seems that your assertions about this are not based in the scientific method

macrocosm and microcosm, to be of is to be as
someone who reads A.C. should know that
 
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#48 Posted : 10/23/2011 4:21:53 PM
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I think we are having a misunderstanding of semantics here more than anything else.
The company of those seeking the truth is infinitely preferable to those who think they have already found it.

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