Just an interesting article to share that hasn't already been posted on this forum, I think.

Steps to ban 'drug' plants alarm hobby gardeners - The Sydney Morning Herald

It is extremely sad when governments force through laws such as this that directly ban huge numbers of species of plants. We see countless adverts on TV, saying how we should donate money every month to save extinct animals. By banning plants, you are effectively irradiating them from the country and forcing some plants that step closer to extinction. Is this justifiable?

Where will governments stop? Can you imagine if every single DMT containing plant in the world was banned? (It is very unlikely, but that is the attitude that this government is taking).

I think, in some way this can be related to the current situation in the UK. Mimosa Hostilis is being seized by customs everywhere and IMO will be outlawed in the near future.

As usual, it seems there is not much to be done. Let's Just hope these gardeners kick up a massive fuss and stop the proposal from ever becoming law.

This is a very sad subject... not only is disgusting to even consider such an idea, but they are also making their OWN NATIONAL FLOWER illegal!! (The golden wattle) I truly hope that this does not follow through..... what a stupid government in the first place.... this is F**KIN political suicide!! what a bunch of numb-skulls...

I hope this doesn't cause a ripple effect cause I'll be damned if my government gets the idea to do the same thing....

Angry,
ElusiveMind

Ripples may be exactly what is needed. The more absurd these authoritarian attempts become, the more publicity they will gain.
In this situation, gardeners have become polarized on an issue they may not have cared about before.

"There is not a lot of scientific evidence out there on what plants contain nasties such as DMT," said Anthony Kachenko, the national environmental and technical policy manager at Nursery and Garden Industry Australia.


Nasties? wow thats unbelievable

It's quite obvious he never actually read any of the evidence or he'd see how ludicrous and futile all this is in the first place.

My guess is that this is all coming from Big Pharma companies. Politicians rarely do anything that does not benefit them financially in one way or another. Track the money and you will have your answer. Big Pharma sells poison to as many as possible for as much as it possibly can. They do not want people growing their own medicine or easily producing their own and they certainly do not want people becoming more aware and more conscious. The more stupid repeat paying customers they have the better their bottom lines will be and that is all that matters to them. Their goal is not to heal, but to create an addictive consumer base that will continue to buy their products. Entheogens are the exact opposite of that mind set in every way. And this gives the people who run Big Pharma nightmares.

nope.

they can try, but how do you get rid of invasive grasses that spread like wildfire?
that's like trying to get rid of roaches.

Second Benzyme, They still haven't even gotten rid of all the Cannabis plants in the united states and it has been decades since they first started lighting wild cannabis fields on fire. If you look closely enough you can find Cannabis Rudderalis in the most unlikely of places.

Unfortunately politicians are worse than roaches and seem to reproduce better than the roaches under the most adverse conditions. The idea of following the money will take you to a destination that is filled with society's most greedy and morally reprehensible individuals. Washington DC has the greatest concentration on earth of morally reprehensible people on the planet trying to pass themselves off as respectable honorable servants to society.

Unenforceable. End of story. The tighter you make persecution for those who avoid the law, the further you aggravate an already exhausted society, and that may lead to nothing short of wide spread protest.

Although I do want to agree with you I feel that this would have happened years ago if it was ever going to happen.

It will just make people hide their 'hobby plants' and create more illicit blacmarket demand.

I wouldn't say never

maybe its the black market where the gov wants these things, imo they stand to make more money from things being in the black market than if they were in the regulated taxed market as anything that can possibly be banned for any reason wot so ever basically is these days forcing it into one place: the black market. i dunno why exactly they do this but id assume somehow its the same reason most people do anything(financial gain) but it just seems more and more likely that somehow someway these corrupt politicians stand to make more money enacting prohibition than having products in a regulated controlled market. the more they say prohibition works the more it seems they have ulterior motives as more and more evidence shows it simply does not and they are just advocating a failing policy and actively contributing to the harms and misery caused by prohibition.
you think they are just being dumbass cunts but imo they know exactly wot they are doing, and know exactly wot game they are playing and just how to win it, trouble is most of the public do not see this and assume its all for their own good and the war on drugs must continue.

What I fail to see, is where the motivation for laws, such as this one to be suggested in the first place. How exactly is this supposed to improve, or protect society? I can think of 101 other much more important agendas that governments should be pushing.

The world can be a frustrating place to live in sometimes ...

Look at everything else is going on in the Australian news and find whatever it is the politician in question is trying to distract from by issuing this transparently absurd brainfart of a proposal. There's nothing better than a hardline drug policy to muddy the electoral waters and eat up column inches in the media.

Or perhaps they just do it for the very reason that the public goes along with it. If they take a hard stance against drugs, then that's one way they can divide themselves from other political parties. The one side of the political party becomes powerful because the public agrees with their position. One example of how stamping on one group of people is potentially empowering for another group of people. I look forward to a future where, people start learning that it is better to mutually co-operate, instead of endlessly scapegoating, and picking enemies to destroy.

But then, another part of me is less hopeful because what I have observed in human beings is that many seem to actually want enemies. A lot of people out there seem to enjoy and thrive off of making enemies, fighting them, and ultimately the thrill of crushing someone they don't like, or someone of a different position. This is disturbing to me. But I don't think a lot of people are even aware of this behavior in themselves. I don't think people realize they actually love their enemies because their enemies strengthen their identity, occupy their mind, motivate them to get up in the morning, to get strong, etc etc. When people become conscious of this in themselves, the behavior will likely decrease..... although change is a difficult thing, even if it's something you know isn't good for you, or others. A lot of times, people who beat their wives or children feel very guilty about it, yet they continue to do it anyway. Similarly, overly aggressive social/political bullies may have a hard time adjusting to a lifestyle which tries to help people, instead of hurt some and help others.

They want to ban Brugmansias, allmost all wattles and many cacti?
They have just become a huge threat to the Ecology of the planet as well as to civil freedom and justice.

I they stubbornly push this through, which wouldn't surprise me if "they" did, and they start exterminating cultivated and wild growing Acacia trees, Brugmansia trees and Cacti these species may become endagered and extinct and vanish from the earth. They allready do this with Cannabis in many countries: Even wild growing Cannabis!!!
If this dangeriously insane plan is accepted and then adopted internationally by all countries of the world; A move we have allready seen several times before, The entire ecology comes under heavy attack. The war on drugs has just revealed it's deeper, underlying nature; The war against Mother nature.

How more obvious could it be that the War on Drugs is really a War against Nature; Squads of men in armor suits, wearing sub-machine guns and portophones, using flamethrowers to burn down wild growing, beautyfull gold, white and pink blossoming Acacia trees, Tall extremely old cacti and mesmerizing Brugmansia trees.

It's insanity of the highest order.
Enviromentalists could very well sue them in a court of law, bringing charges on them for seeking to destroy many 100s maybe even 1000ns of plant species, and how this would upset the entire ecology of earth.

Grow your own. NOW. while you still can.

how ironic would it be if it took the dug war to eradicate cane toads from Australia.

Not only would the plants become endangered/extinct, but so would animals that rely on their environment as well.
Some plants rely on animals to spread seeds, etc. And vice versa, some animals rely on plants as a source of food.



I agree 100%
We live on a planet that is run by a bunch of idiots.