I'd have to say the THH + DMT combo. It's the least mentally intoxicating mix. It leaves your mind clear, so you're less likely to freak out. This is a much friendlier experience. This is SWIM's preference. He doesn't like losing control of his thought processes, and this mix leaves your mind focused.

The "Santo Daime stlye" as you put it is more powerful. But you'll have less control of the experience. Harmine (and especially harmaline) is mentally intoxicating and is more likely to make you lose a little control. This experience is more like a dream.

Awesome!

Thank you very much for the reply 69ron. SWIM is very excited now...though with a bit of lingering anxiety!

The experience is very clear, more focused, and less chaotic than pure DMT. It’s easier to handle than pure DMT. The THH keeps your mind focused and helps relax your anxieties a little, and also adds new dimensions to the experience that are very hard to put into words. You feel like your mind is supercharged with boundless energy. It’s amazing.

SWIM just made his first attempt.

120mg THH
22mg DMT Freebase

THH disolved in warm water, 100mg citric acid added, 22mg of DMT added. Stirred, drank down quickly on an empty stomach. Ate a half a piece of bread right after.

At 15 minutes, a slight euphoria, a desire to dance (SWIM doesn't dance)...

And then nothing. Its been 3 hours and all SWIM felt from it all was that small bit of euphoria which faded rather than morphing into something new.

SWIM is 105kg, 230lb.

Up dosages?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

I think I could achieve an excellent Aya' brew if I was able to find some Caapi with high amounts of pure THH and lacks other compounds... I have seen ONE chemical report of this but I can't find it now!

For some people 20 mg of DMT is not enough no matter what MAOI is used.

What amount of DMT would SWIY normally use with caapi or rue? Some people actually require 100 mg + of DMT when taken orally with an MAOI.

Only other time I've tried orally had a 2g of rue tea and 80mg of dmt. Visuals took 2 hours to come on and lasted about 30 minutes. I figured that 120mg would be a good dose for me, but your report of being blown away from 20mg gave me pause...didn't want to eat 120mg of spice on 200mg of THH for my first real oral time.


I also didn't experience any of the effects reported from the THH. Guess I just need to start upping to find the right amount.

I wish I had known that. I would have suggested much more DMT for SWIY. For SWIM 2 grams of rue with 80 mg of DMT would be a near overdose. SWIM can barely handle 40 mg of DMT orally.

Dosage for oral DMT is known to vary quite a bit from person to person. If you look on this forum you’ll see people argue all the time about how much MAOI to use, how much DMT to use, etc., and the numbers that people argue, especially for the DMT dosage vary like crazy.

MAOI dosage varies from person to person, but the variance is not a much as reported for DMT.

For example, some people need 150 mg of harmaline for oral activation of DMT, while others get full oral activation from as little as 75 mg of harmaline.

For oral DMT with an MAOI, some people can get effects from as little as 10 mg, but more people require 20-40 mg, while some people get no effects at all until 75-100 mg or more are used.

These variances in dosage requirements are not fully understood and are not that dependant on a person’s size. For example, SWIM weighs 285 lbs and SWIY weighs 230 lbs. SWIM is heaver, but SWIM apparently doesn’t need as much DMT as SWIY does, and maybe even the THH dosage is different for both people.

As for THH, the reported dosage information is extremely sparse. Basically there's a small handful of people on this forum that have tried it.

For SWIM, he needs about 200 mg of THH orally in order to feel it, or about 20 mg sublingually.

For SWIM 20 mg of DMT orally with 200 mg of THH was stronger than 20 mg of DMT with 200 mg of harmine. However, both produced a decent trip for SWIM. SWIM doesn’t need a lot of DMT for oral activity with an MAOI.

THH seems to be slightly more potent of an MAOI than harmine is, but not as potent as harmaline. If you know what your body’s MAOI harmine dosage requirement is, use that for THH.

I can tell you that 20mg of DMT wasn't nearly enough when using Harmaline extract. Probably around 200mg of the Alkaloids. And Harmaline is supposed to be more potent than THH, but barely noticed any effect when taking both orally. Maybe THH combines better. I can break through on 15mg of smoked DMT without an MAOI.

I only used about 75% of what I had left of DMT. Don't want to use it all up right now before extracting any more.

so approx 1/10th the dose of THH is necessary when taken sublingualy? How does the duration differ with this route of administration?

Something like that. Maybe 1/5th? I'm not completely sure. More tests need to be done. Some people didn’t get good results with sublingual use and got better results snuffing it.

The sublingual experience peaks after about 30-45 minutes and lasts about 1-2 hours. When taken orally it peaks after about 90 minutes and lasts 6-8 hours.

This information is based a just a few people, so it's probably not accurate for everyone.

Whelp, trying again!

200mg THH
50mg DMT
50mg DMT (+00:15)
40mg THH (+1:00)
30mg DMT (+1:00)

Took some more at the hour point as I haven't felt anything yet. Looking like SWIM either has a really high tolerance for THH, or its bunk, or SWIM will be flying in hyperspace in the near future!

That doesn't sound right at all. 200 mg of THH orally is enough to feel it. It’s quite noticeable.

No one else is having no effects like that. Another guy on this forum who used 80 mg of THH got effects from the DMT orally.


How did SWIY take it orally? Maybe SWIY somehow destroyed the DMT or the THH?


Maybe SWIY bought THH from a bogus vendor?

What does SWIY's THH look like? What color is it? What does it taste like?

How did it come in the mail? Was it in a plastic baggy like most vendors have it? Was it in a small metal vial?

SWIM looks forward to using THH. He did notice when he combined DMT freebase + Salvia 6.5x, it actually was more stable than DMT alone. Still the fog there, which THH will be interesting. Salvia did slow down the experience so everything wasn't POW in your face, over and over. But was powerful in it's own right.

SWIM will later try THH+Salvia+DMT and see.

SWIM was the one that got dmt active off of 80mg of THH Hcl...that is very strange...
SWIM has gotten dmt to be active at other levels higher than 80 very easily

Jorkest,

So does SWIY sense a difference between taking freebase DMT and the fumarate? When using THH?

Nevermind. Was answered in another thread. Thanks.

Whelp, trying again!

200mg THH
50mg DMT
50mg DMT (+00:15)
After 1 hour, nothing at all felt.

40mg THH (+1:00)
30mg DMT (+1:00)

@ +1:30 developed a sensitivity to light...but nothing more

50mg DMT (+2:00)

@ +2:30 some minor open and closed eyed visuals, slight euphoria, which came on and faded.

50mg DMT (+3:00)
100mg THH (+3:00)

This will be the last injection of the night. If it doesn't get me to where I want, I'll have to go back to the drawing board. The THH is not bunk, but it appears it either takes a long time to work on swim, or it takes a lot to block the maoi's

SWIM got it from the same Visionary vendor that others have used. Small sealed container. It looks off white, tan in fact, very powdery. Got it a week ago. Tastes bitter.

Swim is mixing it with a little orange juice and throwing the juice to teh back of the throat.

You could try getting some citric acid. That, from what I've read, dissolves DMT rather nicely. Take it on an empty stomach and follow it up with a slice of bread to get digestion going.

SWIM breaks through very easily now on one hit when either combining DMT with Salvia or Harmaline Tincture. Actually, he has broken through on just DMT, but breakthrough is much more of a given on Harmaline. Has yet to try the THH which he has ordered.

I figured the orange juice would serve the same purpose, and have heard of others using it to take dmt.

Its now been 6 hours. The last infusion I did had little visionary effect, but I could feel the THH for sure, a very clear mind, focused, though I don't think I'll be able to sleep any time soon. Was an interesting night, got glimpses of what could be, and it thrills me.

I must be doing something wrong...maybe put it all in a capsule?