It seems sometimes that a lot of people are not familiar with ayahuasca being used for warfare and sorcery designed to attack others.

Classically ayahuasca using shamans were not only healers, they were also those who would bring harm to others.

There is now a tremendous emphasis upon love with aya and things like DMT, but classically the emotional context of use also allows as much hate as love. the user can focus on either and there is nothing in and of the use of these things that is by default associated with any one emotion, rather love and hate, fear and humor, disgust and desire, these are all linked and inseparable and often part of exploring self. The idea that love and hate are not connected seems incredibly dangerous, they are sort of two sides of the same thing, and neither is good or evil, both have their place in life and both have the ability to help or harm.


In many cases tribal peoples used ayahuasca and allies for hundreds if not thousands of years, yet in none of these cases did they become a people free of war or hate, nor did they become a people free of peace or love. Be careful in thinking that things like aya and DMT make a person more peaceful, peace is born of the will for peace, this is determination.

Imagine that you love something and it is under threat or it is harmed, the result of the attachment that love constitutes will inevitably result in a hate like emotion the same way that a mama bear gets angry at threats to her cubs, because she is attached to them.

There are those who want to dwell in a feeling of love, a feeling of attachment, please be cautious about this, because there is an aspect of balance to the universe and being and for every state there is a proportional and equal and opposite state. Perhaps the largest mistake we can make is to believe that we can attain a state where reaction, attachment and temptation no longer exist. No person is immune to the so called faults of humanity, remember that the same nerves that sense pleasure also sense pain. Emotions are like this too.


Anger has a role in nature, just like it does for mama bear, it would be wrong to be incapable of it, but it is not right to dwell in it.

To be without the capacity for hate is to be without the capacity for love,
it is best to not get carried away with either.

this is what i believe
what do you think?

I think a balance is important. To hate can be productive (the hatred of the oppressed against the oppressor can eventually lead to liberation, for example).

However, I think to be consumed by either hate or love would be a mistake. I think finding the centre of both, may well be the key to happiness...

They are both natural emotions, yet they are also both capable of blinding you... maybe awareness of the emotions, helps to combat their accumulation into excess.

Saying that, I think perhaps the true 'essence' of things, and conciousness, is more based on love than hate. This is what Aya has suggested to me so far in any case.

I think we are getting caught up in dicotemy here. I dont think "love" in the sense of a love/hate aspect of dualism is more the essence of things than "hate" is.

These things are products of a dualistic perspective, and they can ONLY exist within that paradigm. One cannot be more powerful than the other. I would also say that "love" as something you cant have without "hate" is NOT true LOVE..

"LOVE" as the universal binding force explained through hadronic mechanics exists at a level beyond dualism and permeates down through all the lower levels. It both transends and comprises dualistic ideals. The universe does not judge..it only is. "good" and "bad" are just words we use to explain how we feel about something from our perspective.

Evil exists but only as a lower level manifestation. The term is relevant to us and our affairs. LOVE is NOT the opposite of evil at all..that is a delusion. LOVE sits a level above love/evil and is completely at one with both. LOVE is a unitive force that binds all lower polarities.

Also..this whole brujo thing has been covered in many threads in the past.

When I said the 'essence' I was referring to the times when I have been completely consumed/dissolved into an all-encompassing light, that I presumed was the true nature of conciousness and everything, when the facade of physical existence has been totally stripped away...

But yea I would agree... love really is everything. I would also agree that strong feelings of anger can be productive though (although, of course, these 'negative' emotions are also essentially born out of love.)

What is that quote you used Fractal? It seems like its worth a read...

Oh sorry, my mistake, there was no quote haha!

what quote are you referring to? Hadronic Mechanics?

Lol yea there was no quote. It was you the whole time Fractal. Though I am searching Hadronic Mechanics as we speak.

Thank you for your input!
In general i believe that i agree with both of you.