I would like to see if it's just me or other salvia user found the experience or plain leave (smoked) somewhat a bit different than extract.
I found extract to be more brutal, and colder.
But I do'nt know really if it's just due to some different chemical make up (a balance between salvinorin(s) and the rest of the leaves) or just that extract are coming up very fast to the brain due to concentration of actives thus making it different.
I now, am starting again to smoke slowly plain house grown leaves.
But use pure salvinorin if changa (2mg per gram of n,n DMT).

I definitely notice a difference, not just in potency. Not everything can be pulled during the extraction process, so there is something always left behind. The other salvinorins obviously add to the experience in some manner, otherwise plain leaf wouldn't have that different, more meditative 'spiritual' feel as opposed to extract.

People will argue on this, but I've always found plain leaf to be more healing, more calming. Extracts are still fun, but like r0m has said, they can feel a bit more 'brutal' and 'cold'. So obviously I'm in the plain leaf camp

I definitely agree. Plain leaf salvia is a very spiritual thing, it never blasts me off like the extracts do, but its effects are quite strange. I smoked some plain leaf with cannabis the other day using just a regular bic lighter (out of butane in my torch ) and it was quite a strange experience. I tripped for a good 30-45 minutes, with a come-down of about another hour. It was such a beautiful experience, so euphoric and light, yet relaxing and calming at the same time. I heard this music in my head, and it was so wonderful and when it ended I looked around and saw everything around me almost as though it were two-dimensional.

I'm not sure why the trip lasted such a long time, or why it was so different from the effects of salvia I normally experience (even plain leaf never treats me so well).

Anyway, I absolutely agree that plain leaf is wonderful for meditation and inner-examination, but the extracts just put you into such a strange place, mentally, physically and spiritually, that sometimes a strong experience can be preferential.

I smoked salvia for the first time in about a year last week, aside from tiny bits in changa. I smoked some of my plain leaf and only 2 big hits were enough to throw me into a sub-breakthrough experience..I guess I never lost my sensitivity from all the time I spent smoking it daily.

I never had trouble breaking through with plain leaf. I started out with 10x extracts but once I started to grow salvia a few years ago I just kept smoking the leaves as they are. I have extracts that I made..just dont know if or when I will need them again.

Smoking the plain leaf is comparable in intensity to smoking DMT for me, though totally different. Powerful plant.

I really think the rate of consumption has more to do with it than you realize.

I know this is true with DMT – a dose leisurely inhaled in 3 slow inhalations will produce an experience markedly different from one where the dose is taken in a single rapid inhalation.

Also, acetone is a very broad-spectrum solvent, and I bet it pulls just about everything in salvia (including fats, chlorophyll, and other things you don’t want).

^ I tend to agree with gibran. The rate at which the body absorbs salvinorin is alot quicker with extracts.. compared to the 2 or 3 large hits with plain leaf, one small hit of 10 or 20x extract is like being hit with a bat at times, becasue it just floods you.

You could be right. And I knew someone would argue But that's a good thing.

Does acetone, I'm talking the chilled acetone pulls that are very quick (a la Sphere), pull all the salvinorins? I know if left for any length of time, even ten minutes, it can pull all kinds of fats, chlorophyll, and other nasty crap. But I was under the impression that it was mostly the salvinorin A that was being pulled with the fast chilled acetone pulls. I guess if one salvinorin can be pulled that rapidly, so can the others.

I do sometimes smoke my plain leaf leisurely, slowly. But at this point I only need one inhalation most often to get me to very pronounced sub-breakthrough effects. I took a hit from a left over bowl of Calea 10x and Salvia leaf, just one half burnt little hit, and I thought I was going to breakthrough. It could be that I smoke it pretty much everyday, and that I do take the hits very fast. If I take more than one hit, I'll barely be able to get in the second hit before the ride starts. It just feels different from the extracts though. Of course it's not as strong (I like fractal's analogy of being hit with a bat) but it does have a qualitative difference that's hard to describe. It could just be me, I'm willing to accept that as well. Perhaps my view of plain leaf is a colored view in that I see it as untouched, as nature intended, not 'enhanced' in any way.


I believe that we never truly lose the sensitivity once we go that far with Salvia. Like riding a bike, you can jump right back in and be sort of surprised that it's exactly how you remembered Tripping on Salvia being a skill once learned, can never be forgotten.


I had the same feeling the first time I smoked changa. It really reminded me of plain leaf Salvia in terms of intensity. My first batch didn't contain any Salvia of course. I also think that smoking Salvia so often and for so long has probably made me more sensitive to changa/DMT. I'm still a bit scared to smoke a full dose of freebase actually My recent pharma experience was absolutely out of this world.

First time smoking plain oaxacan leaves from mexico (to compare to my homegrown leaves) and in term of effects it felt a bit like extract, not intensity.
There wasn't this secure, feeling at home feeling I've had with homegrown leaves.
I will try more smoking both plain leaves (mexico and homegrown) before choosing making extracts.
If there isn't any difference I'd rather smoke less material more concentrated.

Interesting post there, Rom.

- It would be interesting for someone to do a post on their impressions of salvia leaf vs crude leaf extracts, and standardised extracts, as well as pure SalvinorinA smoked on those cigarette papers for example.

-It would be interesting to know what seems to "feel" different, and which seems to be the most spiritual, and the most hallucinogenic, etc...

I have to do a crude extract with Ice-Cold Acetone, then I have already salvinorin A crystals I can add to leaves and cigarette paper (or any neutral support) and do the test.
I suspected the healing feel to be stronger with plain leaves but maybe I'm wrong with this impression.
Last smoked session didn't seem like.

I must admit, Rom. The photos i've seen of those extracted "ice cold Acetone" , Salvinoran A Crystals look amazing.
one day i would like to do some extracting like that. But for the moment, the crude extracts seem to be more than enough for me.

Yeah, but what sort of extract od you use? Homemade or bought ?
You smoke it in what x ? and from a bong ?
DO you grow your own leaves ?

Rom, i just buy my extracts.

-I will decide where i'll go with Salvia soon. Too many entheogens, too little time!!

It's worth it to make your own extracts. Very simple and isn't time consuming really. Much, much cheaper as well

I would Diox, if i had some leaves hanging around. I suppose i'll have to order a kilo off the net sometime soon. Does anyone know any good deals on reasonabbly potent, yet cheap leaves??

Never really had a strong experience (i.e breakthrough) with extracted salvia - only tried it once or twice though. But smoking homegrown salvia leaf through a 3 litre bucket always (except when I was trying it for the first few times) resulted in a breakthrough. Haven't tried it in moons - need some plants.

I miss salvia!!!