Hey,

I would like to ask about making changa with caapi vine, so here are some questions:


-What is the best(or easiest) method to make vine changa? Links are welcome
-How potent caapi extract one should make?
-Is 1:1 ratio recommended?
-Does vine-dmt mix sound too plain, so would it be recommended to add other plants into the mix?
-Any vine-dmt experiences?

Or should one just forget about working with changa and order some caapi leaves and other herbs and make just plain good ol' mixture without any extracts?




thanks

You can use vine to make changa.

You can either extract it via Gibrans Caapi Tek or make a menstrum ala Dorge.

If you extract it, you'll know the exact yields and can control the ratios.

Ala Dorge, you get what you get and it can be hit and miss but it's still pretty damn effective usually.


As far as making the actual changa, if you extract the vine, I prefer a ratio of 1g spice : 1g mullien : 450mg harmalas
Most people use 1g spice : 1g leaf : 250mg harmalas. I just prefer my changa to be kinda harmala heavy but that can lead to headaches if you smoke it too fast.

I wouldn't suggest smoking the vine. I'd definitely add the goodies to some type of leaf that is smooth to smoke. Smoking wood can be quite harsh.

I recommend trying it all and seeing which you prefer. Each method will leave you with a completely different product so see which one you like the best.

Good luck

never seen it miss... Hits real good ; )

I found the 10x caapi instructions... But I wonder is rice cooker and food dehydrator necessary? Can I PM you if I'll need some advice?
thanks

Well they help, you can find all sorts of ways of doing the same thing. But they do make it easier. More then one way to skin a cat though.

What would be the recommended method for preparation, if one decides to try sublinqual administration? thanks

For sublingual admin you need relatively pure salts or freebase alks. If extracting from caapi, I suggest Gibran's Tek.

If extracting from rue, I have to shamelessly plug my Tek.

As far as the actual technique for taking the alks...

I put them under my tongue and work them into the back of my bottom gums. I also swallow any spit as it forms so that the alks don't get diluted. It usually takes a little while for everything to dissolve finally when using freebase. I haven't tried it with salts yet.