Ohayoco it would appear that the only difference in my church and yours is going to be the botanical vs. synthetic thing! All your ideas are pretty much the same as mine besides that! This is great!

Well done for getting the ball rolling, Coatl This one is DMT specific, not synthetic but extracted. Drinking is permitted too upon request, when a member's use of the extraction is not appropriate on health reasons (reasoning explained earlier). Amor_fati, that's good to hear, foaf's been concerned that they'd ban the plants if DMT gets more popular after seeing a few reports of busts posted here, one of which suggested that DMT use is increasing (potential media hype?). Also, Traveler's statement about how massively this site has grown in membership makes me wonder about increasing popularity.

I've just read the legal stuff on the UDV case on ayahuasca.com, and how to satisfy RFRA. From what I read, using extracted DMT instead of a brew is legally irrelevent, because the brew was deemed an illegal preparation anyway. I think in this case, our main problem stateside would be that government would argue that DMT might be more susceptible than hoasca to illegal distribution from the sect onto the black market. Popularity is an issue here. It may help if the religion required that members agree to not sell the sacrament nor give it away in any non-religious context. That's not too onorous a requirement, is it?

Thank you for expanding the ideas and filling the void that my church has left in the community for the users of synthetic/extracted entheogenic psychoactives.



No, I think my church will have a similar rule.

It's a good idea.

Another thing that stood out for me were the reasons behind that forum's intolerance of talk of recreational use- they have a good point that government would pick the case with the best chance of prosecution to set a precedent when encountering a similar situation to UDV with a different entheogen or group. I guess it's more likely that if one of us ever got busted it would just be random though, seeing as we're not physically meeting like UDV do. If a member got busted, your claim to religious freedom would be flimsy if they found your posts on here somehow and found that you'd written 'I'm only joining in case I get busted' or 'I use it recreationally'. It would be good practice to express somehow that it's a spiritual pursuit sometimes, as most people here do anyway. Of course spritual pursuits can be fun too!

For me entheogenic experiences truly are spiritual, I'm not just saying it...

I hope that is true for most members here. Please don't join my church if your only doing it so you can "get away with drug use".

I've been thinking about the name. DMT Nexus hasn't said anything on the matter yet, and I don't feel comfortable using the word Nexus without their permission. I have no idea what legal implications there could be, and I don't want to look like I'm trying to create the appearance that this faith is condoned by DMT Nexus. I also don't want to draw undue attention to DMT Nexus through association with us, let's keep it underground We need to get things rolling and get onto making certificates, so from now on, let's call ourselves:

"The Spicing Way"

A google seach yielded no other results, so it doesn't look like we have any conflicts with this name.

Also, I thought that drinkers shouldn't feel secondary to smokers. So let's say that the method of ingestion is the individual's personal choice... however, a member should follow his chosen path and not let the law determine his path, because that would be to bow down to oppression, which is against The Spicing Way- "Do as you will when it harms no other". Is that better?

The word "Spice" has come under media attention...

How about... something simple and vauge? Like "The Temple"...

Or...

"The Temple of the Elf Teacher"

"The Church of Void"

"The Temple of Light"

"The Cloud Temple"

"Hyperspace Way"

Or maybe "The Mimosa Abbey"

I think you guys should certainly claim your main DMT botanicals as holy because if they are veiwed as sacraments it will help them remain legal.

I've decided the full name of my church is "The Temple Earth: Church of Entheogenic Spirituality & Ethnobotanical Temple of Humanity"

So don't use that

Jorkest's Temple of Never Ending Dimensions!

It would actually be best if we start 100s of these!

But we should also have one or two large ones.

I see your point about 'spice'. I was thinking about 'light' because that's what the DMT effect is called in Ayawaska. But I've heard some people say they reach 'hyperspace' with other entheogens. And the word hyperspace makes us sound a bit Scientologist to outsiders, as if we're some kind of sci-fi cult!
Whereas I've only heard 'spice' referred to one other drug- the one in Dune! Yes, I know that the derivation's a bit sci-fi but it doesn't sound it as a word, less than the word hyperspace at least. Er, and the stuff you cook with is called spice too. And 'spicing' is a pretty uncommon word, no? Using the word DMT would be too obviously alarming I think. I wouldn't want to put my certificate on my wall if it was THAT obvious.

I think it should stay a 'way' because that avoids the connotations of corrupt organised religion or cults that arise with words like temple, church, sect etc. At the same time, 'way' still suggests spirituality. 'Path' is a no-go because it makes you think of 'The Shining Path' and they're murderers.

I like 'light' but it's a commonly used metaphor so The Way of Light or similar sounds too generic. The Lighting Way just sounds like a lamp shop!

And I think it should the way of whatever the sacrament is called to us, to bind our sacrament unseparably to our religion, so that oppressors can't claim that we don't need to use it to worship. So, we need a word for our sacrament that also sounds good combined with 'way' in a title for the faith. The Peyote Way being an excellent precedent.

The Way of the Spirits

"The Way of the Light-Spirit"?

"The Spirt Light Way"?

I donno

i would like to be innitiated to the smoking of DMT
aya was quite an experience but i still need the jump to join

anyone want to have a gathering in the future
set time and place?

i am all for worshiping in hyperspace, thats where i feel "god" resides anyway.



sorry if these questions were already answered i only read about half the thread and wanted to add my 2 cents aswell

Names with which we can continue to call it 'the spice':
The Spicing Way
The Hyperspace Way
The DMT Way

Names with which we may have to start using our own word for the spice:
The Way of Noetic Lightning!
The Lightning Way
The Noetic Way

Possibly suitable thesaurus noun synonyms for 'way':
approach, course, groove, manner, means, policy, practice, process, system, avenue, bearing, boulevard, channel, door, entrance, entry, gate, gateway, highway, journey, lane, movement, opening, passage, progress, progression, ride, road, space, track, trail, walk, wise, expressway, freeway, roadway, superhighway, going, procedure, technique, transit, via. And I'll add 'life' too.

Possible suitable names for 'DMT':
Spice, the light... er, Business Man's Special?! Not many options here so far.

Can anyone get anything good out of all that? We need a name fast!

The Hyper-Spice Path

Suicybe, I don't mean to sound like a spoilsport but I personally think meeting in countries where it's illegal is risky, especially when you only met the other person on the internet, hence why I suggest we meet in hyperspace, and then cyberspace i.e. Nexus. If you must meet, I'd advise not having any sacrament on you until you're confident about whoever you're meeting. Sorry if that sounds paranoid and spreads bad vibes. Of course, I have no idea if our oppressors would be the least bit interested in us, but they could technically infiltrate and then identify you once they've met you if they wanted to. My foaf personally has too much to lose to risk it. And our religion needs to amass a certain amount of members before we can have hope of challenging oppression if one of us did get busted. But that's just my foaf, others can meet if they want, we're all free to make our own choices. Should point out, I'm just organising this for my foaf, I've never touched the stuff

One day, it would be nice if the Way had a base... somewhere wih sovereignty so we don't have to worry about oppression, where all members could visit. Might be worth saving up to buy one of those little sovereign islands off New Zealand!

Suicybe, have you heard about the synchronised hyperspace events? My foaf's tempted to turn up at Stonehenge for the next one, although it's a long way! Hehe, maybe we could meet at certain appropriate festivals and identify each other by wearing our secret logo on our shamen hats or something.

The teks here teach you how to extract (my foaf used Lazyman's). I have no idea how one would go about buying DMT, and I'm not sure if it's to be encouraged- we don't want dealers beginning to offer it because that could increase popularity, thus increasing the government's perceived risk of our sacrament being diverted into the black market, which reduces our ability to claim religious freedom. Maybe if you hung around at the right events, you would meet similarly minded people, who might give you a bit for free. Maybe reduce your your aya to the minimum, while upping your DMT plant to the max to break through, if that's what you're after (don't know if that would work as aya's not really my area)?

or call it "the way of the winged serpent" or "the way of the true light" or "the way of the tree of light" or we could all just join the "church of the toad of light" which has existed for a while..

How about "The Way of Inner Light".

The Jurema Way?

Kind of has a ring to it, almost rhymes, although I'm saying it with a J. I guess it would be said more 'hoo-rey-ma'? Unless it's a native word. Then we just say how we like all the other sources as well... but jurema is protected specifically as it's the easiest and most commonly used for extraction. Could say extracted spice is for hyperspace and ayawaska and analogs are for therapy? Can hyperspace be reached just with plants?

Yay Lorax are you the 6th member, or just stopping by?!

I think "The Jurema Way" sounds wonderful!

Certainly better than the name of my church!