http://english.aljazeera...2011622132049568952.html

I hope this generates discussion, which for me brings up this thread also.

peace
love
vibrations

the Earth doesn't have an angry spirit
Earth is all we have, so what the hell are we going to do? what can be done..
i address every fiber of existence in you to come up with ideas for our future with me .

Mankind thinks it can fuck with mother nature. Truth is, mother nature will still rule this planet a million years from now.

it's just [natural] balance.
for every action, a reaction.

my suggestion to you folks living on the coast: move.



yep.

It is natural that is for sure.

Thing is, that CO2 is playing a minor role in what is happening on this planet. The energy for warming is coming from our sun, and if you look at the evidence, EVERY PLANET in our solar system is experiencing climate change of one type or another...therefore, CO2 is not the primary culprit, but rather the sun and the Interstellar medium we are currently passing through.

Pollution is definately bad and steps should be taken to reduce the toxins on our planet, but it goes far beyond simple burning of fossil fuels. In addition power should be taken away from the fossil fuel companies, but taxing carbon (which will not impact a significant reduction in warming) is nothing more than siphoning more money from the consumer to the elite.

Source?

The "other planets are warming from the sun" idea is well debunked by a recent video from youtube user potholer54.

On the road so don't have access to my information, but I will link NASA papers/announcements that show that climate change ( not necessarily warming) is occurring on most if not all planets in the system...or you can look for yourself as the info is out there.

It is our sun interacting with the "Local Fluff" as it's been called that is affecting our system.

I find it interesting as well that the last two satellites to measure co2 in the atmosphere that they have attempted to put in space have both exploded in flight. One this year and one 2-3 years ago.

...and the carbon footprint of those explosions?

Maybe I'm crazy but I've actually noticed it getting colder.. at least where I live .

I think climte change is obvious since the ice caps are melting..does not take much to come to that conclusion these days. I dunno what it means though..

The earth is constantly experiencing climate changes, it's natural and can't be stopped. The gov't uses these scare tactics as tools to gain more and more power over us lowly slaves. Ice caps are formed and melt then reform again and so on and so on...

A clean and healthy eco system is very important but our gov'ts are manipulating data and using it to control the masses.

they can't do that if the annual avg temp steadily increases. all it takes is an increase by 1 C to have a major impact.

the melting of the ice caps is just one consequence of global warming...the pollution from burning of fossil fuels also increases the pH of water systems, wiping out amphibious species and microbes which clean said water systems.

That is interesting since certain species of frogs are dissapearing unless I am mistaken. I used to work as a volunteer at the vancouver aquarium and I remember hearing alot of stuff about frogs dissapearing.

I think it's possible to scrub acid from fossil fuel emissions and greatly reduce acid rain. The CO2 is a much larger problem. Since it is the most oxidized form of carbon, CO2 is very stable. On average, a molecule of CO2 exhaust will stay in the atmosphere for 3000 years before natural processes remove it (growing trees and oceanic absorbtion slowly remove CO2 from the atmosphere).

It is not disputable that CO2 traps greenhouse gasses. It is not disputable that the recent warming trend correlates with increased fossil fuel use. It is not disputable that before fossil fuel useage by man, the earth was not warming. It is not disputable that man has refused to reduce CO2 emissions significantly. It is not disputable that we currently have more CO2 in our atmosphere than has ever been measured. It is not disputable...on and on and on.....

What a shame if we had the power to fix this problem, but instead, denied it and did nothing.

they certainly are
it was a huge topic of discussion/debate a couple years ago, as biologists often use frogs and toads as a general gauge on the health of the planet.



well, there are also ways to remove CO2 from coal-fired plants using scrubbers containing
calcium oxide; the issue is cost. many executives are unwilling to fit their plants with this technology because it would cut into their profits.
I have a feeling it's going to be mandatory soon anyway, the loss of energy output is marginal (I wrote a paper on coal-fired plants for a global ecology class last semester).

benzyme, I agree that using a CaO scrubber could allow a coal plant to be efficient but I have a question:

Where does the CaO come from?

It would probably come from CaCO3. In that case, CaO is made by heating CaCO3 to liberate CO2. So you can burn coal to heat CaCO3 and make CaO and CO2. Then you can take the CaO and use it to scrub CO2 from a fossil fuel generating plant. It seems inefficient and that would drive up cost. If you don't scrub the CO2 liberated during the formation of the CaO, the net effect on CO2 is zero. If we could mine CaO directly, that could be an efficient process, but I don't think CaO is very abundant. I would like to hear more about this if you have any information.

So....I guess my original statement was disputable. All it took was someone to dispute it.

industrially-prepared CaO (unslaked lime) from limestone is in the scrubber, it readily absorbs CO2 to give CaCO3.

Well... I already have my lemon tree.

Ok so this may piss some people off but in my opinion if people quit having so many kids it would seriously help the situation i'll use myself as an example my genitics suck as does my health im on SSI and am very low income. knowing thease facts i decided when i was 15 not to have children(mind you i love kids) because of my bad genitics. yes it sucks i would loved to be a mommie but as a whole i didn't want to be responsibile for weakining the gene pool and creating more of a financhal drain on the country. its not complacated, less people less strian on the planet.

Then i have another thought... this planet has been constantly changing for the last 4.5 billion years, from a ball of molten rock to a great snow ball. things have lived then became extinct so when a species fades its sad but theres always something to take its place whats to say thats not whats supposed to happen? Enjoy life live your best and know the only constant in this galixy is change.

the issue is the sheer amount of consumption that goes on in the US and Canada, North America uses the greatest amount of global energy and resources, by far. The other major issue is the rate of population growth in Asia, and their increasing demands for energy and consumer goods.
I agree with the premise that having children increases the carbon footprint, one of the reasons I don't want kids. I'm already consuming far less than any given neighbor, and recycling, doing my part to be conscientious.