Hey guys,

I just wanted to bring something up that I have only related to with two people, and I thought this would be a great place to see if any others can relate to this strange phenomenon after smoking some spice.

Okay, so I smoke my spice in my computer chair (usually) and have noticed some extra strange effects that smoking spice has on the computer keyboard and the look/organization of the layout on the computer screen (GUI). I have noticed that while after smoking a small enough amount to have my eyes totally open, the computer keyboard actually changes its look drastically. I'll try my best to explain: They keys look as if they are all at an even height with no inward dip on the keys. Also, the keyboard's shape becomes very even/symetrical, kind of like a perfect rectangle. It seems more even when it comes to height (all keys at same height even when off of spice they are not). It is extremely hard to type on it while under the influence of even a small amount because of the "new" arrangement of the keyboard layout. I have noticed this since early in my experiences.

The other thing that is even more odd than the keyboard transformation is the on screen layout/GUI. For example, I will be in a folder in Windows Explorer with a season of House in the folder...it is in the "tile" organization setting that windows lets you choose. Once I smoke the spice, the folder layout changes into a more simplistic layout; the major difference being that the tiles of each episode become closer together and have less space in between them making the folder layout seem more simplistic and better than the non-spice layout that it usually provides. I have noticed the same effect on my Android phone, the whole GUI becomes more simple, things become more compact/close together and it seems like it is a more efficient way to operate the phone.

I'm sorry I can't put any more detail into the visual effects I am trying to describe, I started this post feeling like it would be quite simple to explain these odd effects, but the molecule has me at a loss for descriptive words as always. The changes are so simplistic, yet so noticeable, which is my guess at why this is so hard to describe. If you haven't any idea what I am talking about, maybe try it sometime because I have a feeling that this is a universal effect. This doesn't only have to occur with a small amount of spice, but also occurs after an intense experience when eyes are opened and visuals have not yet ceased.

I don't know what this could mean, but seems like there is a definite meaning to all of this that the spice is trying to show me. The GUI transformation seems like it is trying to tell me that the GUIs and layouts of our electronic interfaces can be improved over the current GUIs/interfaces. These visual effects make the on-screen layout more efficient, like an upgrade in the operating system of the computer and phone. They keyboard change seems like it makes the whole device more "even" and symetrical, though typing, even when not having an intense experience, is made more difficult ONLY because of the change of layout and not because of the molecule's effect it is having on motor coordination - meaning that I feel perfectly able to type and all, but it's the change of layout that is new to me and making it more difficult.

These are two VERY odd things that happen to me after smoking spice. I find them so intriguing and odd because it seems like the spice is actually changing the physical shape of the keyboard and visual layout of the operating system.

I would love for someone to post relating to these experiences with the computer/smart phone because two of my other experienced buddies have had the exact same effects happen to them - though they did not say anything about them until I brought it up. They responded to my description by saying "YES!" before I even got into deep description in a way that I could tell that they knew exactylyyy what I was talking about. If any of you have experienced what I am talking about, my broad description shouldn;t be a problem when relating to these visual changes. And if you haven't looked at a smart phone interface, a computer keyboard, or a computer screen (GUI), then I suggest trying it and seeing if my description holds true to yourself as well.

Sorry for the second post, but I would like to add that these effects that I have described in the above post happen EVERY time and in the same EXACT way whenever smoke spice. I have smoked spice at a friend's multiple times and each time I make sure to pull out my phone after the intensity of the experience dies down, just to prove to myself that it is not environment or coincidence making this happen. These effects are not due to the type/duration/intensity of the experience, but the pure fact that I am under the influence of any amount of my spice.

I have noticed that when I smoke my isolated yellow oils (I smoke them like I would herb daily) that this doesn't occur along with the other subtle visuals that the oils create for me; so I have concluded that it is specifically the DMT. Only mentioned this since the oils create the body high, "at peace" feelings, and weak/subtle visuals that washed DMT creates for me (plus omre obviously). It seems that these visual changes occur only after smoking a mixture with DMT in it.

Well its only natural that a perception-altering substance will affect your vision and how your computer looks, no? It def happens with me with psychedelics. Actually its interesting that the Nexus looks specially awesome on all sorts of different substances

But when I smoke DMT I will definitely not have my computer there, and I also would recommend you to turn it off and go lay down/close your eyes. I think one can go much deeper this way

I agree with everything you mentioned. My monitor is actually my only means of lighting when using dmt. I find that it can be very crucial in touching back down if you have to get there quickly due to an out of control experience.

But what I was saying is, obviously there are visual perception changes, but this one is unlike any other dmt has shown me. Instead of warping the way things look, it slims things down to a more effecient way of looking. It certainly is different than other visual changes. I wish i could elaborate but it's really hard for me to explain, from your post it seems like you may know what im talking about, but we have different opinions on how it is being shown.

I normally turn off all IM apps on my computer and the ringer off on my phone before I embark, if I am going to work with music the computer display goes off.

On the few times I have looked at my computer when in flight I have noticed the simplification effect too, it also seems to make icons slightly smaller, a lot brighter and bumps up the contrast.

Phones seem to do some quite mad stuff too. Once a text message came through on my phone when I was just out of the peak, and for some reason I picked it up and tried to read it. I was astounded to see there was no text there at all, but the screen was covered in an array of crazy icons instead. Hyperspace smileys of different types laughing at me, very odd indeed.

It's such a small change that occurs to these things compared to other things going on in your visual field while on dmt, but for some reason these changes are so formal and consistent that I thought I'd point it out and see if others find it equally as interesting. I am not sure why the fascination is so strongly there, maybe because it only has to do with technology and electronic readouts while being such a "futuristic" feeling chemical. The fact that I can see this simplification when there are no other visuals happening other than tracers is SO FRIGGIN" COOL!

Yup, I have also noticed that sometimes toward the end of the journey the computer is the only place that I see any visual effects at all too. Very odd indeed.

I've gotten that many times with the keyboard as well as numerous other things around the house, but in terms of the keyboard, I often attribute the even spatial dimensions to reduced depth perception, hence everything appears more "equal".

that could definitely be the cause, but for some reason the depth of other things is not altered or noticed at all.

In a recent pharma journey it took me giving up and sitting down in front of the computer to realise that my dose had indeed been effective.

No visual effects anywhere else at all for the duration of the journey.

Yeah, the depth thing is really weird. Only on a very select few occasions have I lost 100% depth perception with my eyes open, and man were they powerful journeys. Sometimes it seems like the world goes both 2D and 4D at the same time (like 2D surfaces with 4D objects moving in numerous dimensions through and around them).

I've noticed that low doses of DMT consistently affects how visual patterns, differences, and qualities are perceived. Specifically, they are all exaggerated slightly (or more, depending on dose). e.g., smooth objects appear smoother, rough objects appear extra rough, the elements of patterns become more sharply defined, etc. It sounds like the you have noticed the same sort of effect in that the regularity of a keyboard's layout and your window tiling scheme is being exaggerated.

Stepping it up a notch, but still working with doses lower than when the world starts to disintegrate... have you noticed anything like individual letters or words on an otherwise blank piece of paper hovering above the paper's surface, or multicolored 2-D patterns (like those you often see on a counter top) appearing as if each color exists on a separate plane above the surface?

I'm thinking these effects are a window of sorts into how visual processing works, and perhaps even into the purpose or function of endogenous DMT.

I've definitely got the hovering text thing. Not sure if I can relate on individual color-height separations

I generally refer to it (what I assume as a similar phenomenon) as things getting "plastic-y", as I think I noticed it first on a plastic water bottle, later on the keyboard and other surfaces. It sounds like a similar experience, very cool stuff. That now happens to me rarely in sober states, or more frequently under the influence of cannabis, obviously not as pronounced or prolonged, a "flash" of texture and depth change. Pretty fun, for sure!

If you like the keyboard effect, I highly recommend a Scrabble board. I haven't been tripping with my eyes open for a while, but the next time I feel up to it, I want to have set up ahead of time a pretty full scrabble board, or maybe just fill it with letters in cool designs. That would probably be a great way to explore the linguistic side of one's brain...

Peace & Joy

Hell... look at your hands?! Your body?!?!

I have become some very strange things under the influence of this marvelous chemical. DMT also has a means of changing the textural appearence of everything. Something thats shiny and metallic can become cloth-like and torn. The creases in my blanket can become like sharp rocky mountains and a glass of water can appear to be filled with sand.... even the transparent air can become rolling clouds of polymesh!

I have a different effect when looking at my computer though. Everything becomes really small It's neat!

Theres alot to be said for breaking through and keeping your eyes open for a good minute after the toke has been taken-but as Endlessness said, you certainly go deeper if the eyes are closed.

When taking a good lungful of changa in a small glass bubbler, I find that just as the smoke clears, the round bottom past of the bong develops facets on it as found on a cut diamond and develops in a way akin to speeding-up the film which records a clear liquid freezing.Psychedelic crystallization at its best .Then I usually see an ectoplasmic gossamer-like mist evolve in the air which pirouettes on itself and my brain loses the ability to compute depth perception accurately.What I know to be about 3 metres away has me baffled as I cannot work out if its closer or further away than this.Sometimes it seems that both are kind of true.

As Soulfood mentions, the creases on the duvet become Himalaya-like in their undulating peaks and troughs, but one of my favorite visual effects is to stare at the face of a friends black Dutch Shepherd dog which loses its curved form and looks like its skull is composed of symmetrical flattended plates, like it was wearing a Romanesque fighting helmet on, and its black fur develops clear hints of emerald green similar to the colour of a fat bluebottle fly.

At this point I usally fall back with eyes closed and get assaulted with breakthrough imagery as the open-eye mission becomes a little too much!!

next time, instead of looking at your computer, try another brightened screen (phone, gameboy thing, tv) and see if you see the same thing.

I believe it has a lot to do with how we perceive the light that is coming FROM the monitor, and not how we actually perceive the monitor itself...

OEV are certainly interesting when you hit a good dose or are coming down from one, but, for me anyways, they are not consistent. OTOH, low doses (like I get from a couple tokes of a joint of inert material lightly sprinkled with DMT) always results in the same effects.

An apt analogy would be listening to a quiet musical passage and turning the volume up so you can hear it better (the low dose), if you crank up the volume too much the amplifier starts to distort (higher doses) or perhaps oscillate (so that even when you turn the volume down the sound is still distorted).

i have smoked while at my computer many times..and i would have to agree that the GUI gets way way more simplistic...also the letters seem to change drastically...but it always feels like im at some childs computer or something..i have noticed this just about every time i smoke dmt in front of a computer

This is a fascinating emergent phenomenon being described, that it may be observed by multiple sources with an apparent lack of contributing factors necessary to achieve it (short of a touch of spice) only adds to its remarkable-ness..

Perhaps it could be due to a universal understanding (at the present moment(2014)) of the digital platform as a telepathic 4th wall of connectivity (in a 3 dimensions environment). While the apparition of an economised user interface could be a projection of future trends to the weary traveller..

Think about what the computer-monkey interface will be like when nuero-manipulation (machine-brain) is finally realised and the internet appears as an internal burst of thought in the subconscious mind..

I would think that the phenomenon previously described (by some wonderful people) is in fact a shadow of the internal interface solution to come in (hopefully) the not too distant future..

The same may go for the levitating letters on the blank sheet of paper, a projected probability calculated by the individual of what could be future writ within the bounds of the paper, that is externally observed at the space/hyperspace boundary under the influence..