Hey guys! I know this is weird but... it seems like I'm starting to find people that want my changa, and I've been prohibited from involving money in any transactions with the spirit molecule. So do I just spend all of my free time making changa and working to make money to buy more materials to make it?

I feel on the one hand that this is not fair to me, but on the other hand, I also feel that I have the mission to distribute this to those that ask for it.

Most people do not have the ability, the space, the money, or equipment to make it, it seems. I feel that they would probably just forget about it if I could not provide it, and to me that would be such a shame...

I've told them to try the oral route, but of course, as I well know, it is hard to find time to do that, compared to a quick changa session.

If one doesn't have time/money/effort to extract their own, well then that's a shame.

I'm all for gifting people some changa, but if they keep on nagging for some and don't want to make it themselves then that's just tough, imo. If they couldn't be bothered to make it themselves then they don't really want/need to journey with changa.

Once a gift, second time a favour, third time I send em to the nexus to learn how to extract it themselves.

No, I think they are just lazy, seriously it's so easy&cheap to extract dmt... and if they don't want to extract harmalas they can still buy them.

Hm, ok well I guess I'll stop giving everyone the benefit of the doubt!

You could trade with them without involving money.

True, Shayku, though would that be permitted if the person actually buys the item specifically to trade with me? They might not even tell me that they had to do that...

Also, you can gift it to someone without giving it to them. They want some changa, say yeah, you can come over some time and we'll smoke!

Good idea Banana, but some people I'm friends with don't live anywhere near me :\

What I do if this comes up, and it has with spice quite a few times...it to teach them to extract. I don't share with people that I don't feel can be responsible.

It's not fair to start feeling like someone's supplier.

I don't know what would constitute a "legit" trade or not, but if you're generous with your friends, they should just return the generosity. Or maybe you can make the changa with them. Get them to buy the materials and make it an activity with a couple of friends, they'll see it's not that hard, and don't forget to take that time pass on those values of sharing that you seem to carry.

On the other hand, if these are just friends of friends who know you make this and just want to "bum" a bit, then it's not like you owe them anything.

I'm of the mind that those are the required hurdles for those wanting to do spice. Perhaps it's not their time to do spice just yet? Don't get me wrong I do think it's ok to give a good friend or loved one their first dose, but to get in a situation where you fee like it's your duty to show everyone....I dunno that sounds like a perilous path to me.

And everyone on the nexus makes all their own drugs, ferments their own alcohol, and grows their own mushrooms, tobacoo and salvia right? Rubbish.

Is everyone here also of the opinion that it is wrong to sell mesc and shrooms? I feel like this is more of a gray area, but probably best to stay away from selling these also, just in case. Money is so confusing...

The Nexus can be a bit casual with this IMO. Extracting spice is manufacturing class A drugs in the eyes of the law, and with supply on top of it, there is the potential for a life sentence. (at least there is in the UK)

This is more a general warning than direted at you OP - I know nothing of the details of your situation, but friends may consider it too big a risk to do extractions themselves. Why take that risk of extracting when there is someone who will do it for you and give it to you for free?

I would ask to myself if I can 100% trust these people not to mention this to anyone, even by accident. There is also the fact that the more people that know what you are up to, the more likely you are to get caught. If one of your buddies gets searched and found with spice, can you be sure they wouldn't tell where they got it from to avoid charges being brought against them? People can do out of character things when under pressure.

Just sayin'

And your point is......

[quote=1664If one of your buddies gets searched and found with spice, can you be sure they wouldn't tell where they got it from to avoid charges being brought against them? People can do out of character things when under pressure.

Just sayin'
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An excellent point 1664.

Moysh,
If you get busted making spice its going to be really nasty.
If you get your buddies to make their own then they will have far more incentive to be very cautious with the risks involved.
I have a few friends who I am in the same situation with. I shared some with them to begin with, but then pointed them to how to make it. If they have the motivation, they will make it themselves. If not, they will stick with weed, alcohol, or whatever turns them on.

mad_banshee: good point about sharing the legal risks to protect myself.

interesting that 1664 sees it differently, in the sense that we are all in more danger if more of us are making it, vs. just me making it.

i definitely wouldn't want legal risks to prevent someone from making spice and thus being able to use it. i see changa as a gateway drug to oral ayahuasca, mainly...

obviously i have already committed to breaking the law at this point, so prison is not going to scare me off from the spice, but it sure could scare others.

I didn't read that in 1664's post ( that we are all in more danger.) I think he is just saying the same as me that anyone who uses should share the risk.
Personally, I can't imagine my life without this amazing ally to visit from time to time and my buddies will have to decide if they feel the same way and if they are willing to commit to doing it for themselves.

Yes! This is/has/will always be my solution other then educating the other party as to how to do it themselves.

Barter system ftw.

I just thought id quote this... because it made me laugh.