I am very familiar with smoking DMT even though im new to the site. Anyways the last experience i had was my first bad trip and i need help determining what to do. My first breakthrough i encountered these grey un-detailed "spirits". They moved like water and was aware of me and came straight toward me. On there fingers was sort of this pastel looking paint, each finger had a different color. And they started marking me all over, kinda seemed like tribal markings since im 1/8 native american. But the love and warmth i felt was amazing, so amazing that when i came back to reality for a split second i forgot who i was. If i would have stayed there with them forever i would not of even known i had lived somewhere else. Pretty much it was better than anything i was hoping for and i got exactly what i wanted from dmt.

A few trips later i encounter them again. This time there standing there and one of them is shaking is pointer finger side to side. as if to say thats a no-no. Then the one in the middle takes this strange vase looking jug and gets me to drink out of it. It was only the act of drinking i didnt feel any liquid. After i drank out of it the spirit turns it upside down and crosses his arms and just stares at me. And i come back to reality. So i think they actually didnt want me to be there and made me leave by drinking something that just stops the trip lol.

Finally this is where i need help. I dont see the spirits again for dozens of trips. Until...

I take a huge hit of dmt out of a bong. Before i even clear it im feeling harder than ive ever felt. I clear it, close my eyes and blast off. Im seeing a pile of naked women in a circle spinning. These BRIGHT green lines are coming sideways and blinding me. I remember thinking titties! And the women are motioning for me to come closer. It was almost exactly the scene from south park the movie when kenny dies. I reach the women then... The next thing i know it was kinda like i "woke up" in the trip. Im on my knees in this dark place looking at the ground with 5 dark figures standing in a half circle in front of me. And it was like i knew i had done something wrong cause i knew not to look up at them. And this is what they told me which was all kinda like telepathically. "What you are doing is wrong" "Dont do it again" "Do it again and were gonna mess your life up". And those words just repeated over and over in my head while i was there. Then it was like to show me they were serious they fucked with me the rest of the trip which literally felt like a lifetime..i came to reality and looked at my friends but they didnt look the same, neither did the place i was at. I just kept thinking in my head, "there just messing with you, this wont be forever".

Finally i come out of it and my body feels different, as if my soul just re-entered my body. Which i honestly think it did. So far the only thing i can think what they were telling me i was doing wrong was abusing dmt. Its a spiritual substance and should be taken seriously. Dont do it just to "trip". I think that was the message but id love some feedback!

Thank you for reading!

Also i forgot to put that i dont think those 5 dark spirits were evil spirits. They seemed to be the same spirits that had painted on me in my first breakthrough. So it was kinda like a wake up call.

Why do you use DMT? You say the message was to not use it just to “trip” – do you think that’s what you’re doing?

What does it mean to you to take DMT seriously?

I think doing it just to get high or fucked up is not right. Thats what i was trying to say, and its only my opinion. I see dmt as a spiritual chemical. But again thats only my opinion.

Well, you say you think the entities were telling you that you are abusing DMT. Do you think it’s possible they’re right? If yes, why? If not, why not?

Yes i think i began to abuse it. That night was the 3rd night in a row i had done it. And i had been doing it with this group of people which are the exact type of people who are doing it just to get messed up, cause there wasnt anything else to get fucked up on. Before that i would trip maybe a few time a month. So i think i was mixing with the wrong crowd and abusing DMT. And when i say wrong crowd its the wrong crowd for me. The people had stolen guns, were doin coke, heroin, etc.

Oh and another thing thats strange. Just to be an hard head like i am. The next day i try it again just to see. I load a 60mg bowl in a bong. And clear it...Nothing happens haha. I blew out the some then just sat there and nothing happened...strange to me. I havent tried it since.

The only thing i am having trouble with is they didnt say WHAT i was doing wrong. just that "what you are doing is wrong". so i dont know what they were referring to. and "dont do it again". Still i dont know what they meant. I hope there not talking about DMT cause i love it.

It sounds like you’re figuring this out. Wrong crowd, too often. I think the entities got their message across.

THANK YOU!

Do you feel it's possible they were telling you not to take DMT without the protection of harmalas?

IMO, the body will decay very quickly if DMT is ingested alone. And as such smoked DMT is not the way to go in the long run.

-f

I think that you knew the answer all along, but had just forgotten it.

They were determined enough to repeat the message over and over. It seems as if they would like you to remember it. Which you did. Good job.

When you see a bunch of Beautiful Pure Women; try not to have your first defining thought be "titties". Such intention often directs us Away from Wisdom and Opportunity. We blind ourselves to greater understanding and growth as we inhibit ourselves with our own desires. This can mess up your life.., so "don't do it again". The "it" might refer to your Intention. In certain places in the Universe; Intention is Communication. Be respectful when you Travel there. Be respectful on here on Earth. Do both and you will be good Everywhere.

REALLY?? Are you serious? You think the body will decay if you smoke DMT? What in the world makes you think this?

"..the protection of harmalas?"?? What protection? Protection from what? Are you saying you think DMT is toxic and harmalas are not?

Why would they want him to take harmalas? Has he even done it with harmalas and if not why would it have anything to do with using harmalas or not?

Good God.

Twice, I've received a message telling me never to do DMT without harmalas. I believed it. You can do whatever you want.

The message kind of read like "The harmalas keep the body safe from bad vibes while awareness has been taken away by DMT."

To me this is self-evident now.


What I want to know is how can you be so sure that I'm wrong? Is western science dealing with the matter of psychedelics to a degree that would make you so sure about it's convictions? BTW, What are the conclusions of western science in regards to psychedelics? That they make you go nuts? And so no further research necessary?


Believe whatever you want.


Only DMT can teach about DMT.

-f

Is it possible the entities simply were telling you the crowd you are running with will not help with your enlightenment (or your life in general)?

Well, having re-read the OP, I think I can say that for me it all boils down to whether the green colour which the poster mentions is identical to the distinct green glow of the harmalas.


BTW, Where I come from Spand is a common household item, and practically everyone burns a little bit of it as a form of incense at times. It is a culturally ingrained idea here that Spand can ward off negative energies or bad spirits. Obviously there must be some measure of truth to this otherwise it's just a superstitious belief covering a vast geographic area; the entire area where Peganum Harmala is endemic.

The understanding here is that the inherent purpose or quality of this specific plant is to neutralize malevolent influences which exist in the world and act upon man under certain circumstances.


And on another note, I'm quite sure any shaman would confirm the protection Caapi affords in words similar to those used by Middle-eastern folk.

-f

P.S. IMO, the DMT trance is a state in which man becomes quite vulnerable to forces ordinarily unseen and un-felt. It would bring no harm to have some extra protection, which harmalas provide beautifully, IME.

Wow thanks for sharing enjoyed reading that.

I never journey with spice without caapi in some form in my system at this point
It's a true teacher and helper .