Late last night, SWIM did this:

2g of ground syrian rue was put in grape juice and drank, followed immediately with 50mg freebase spice mixed in grape juice. Then 1/4 apple was eaten.

Spent the next hour meditating. Felt some digestion going on in stomach...a little gas but not much more. At the one hour mark, with nothing happening, a few small hits of vaped freebase were taken. No extra effects...no MAOI was felt.


SWIM wanted to slowly work his way up and thought 3g rue would probably be needed based on his readings here, but wanted to try less for the first time. Would the general consensus be to up the Rue to 3g and try again? SWIM was too tired last night to add more rue, and will wait for a time when he can add more as needed. Would doing a quick 5-minute steeping for a tea from the rue be better than just eating the rue straight? And if so, would you suggest still consuming the ground rue?

Thanks for any suggestions!!!

If you didn't feel any MAOI I doubt 3g would even be sufficient. I eat 5g.

A few possibilities I thought of:

1- Your rue is bad (though Ive never heard of inactive or veeery bad rue, I guess its possible).. Where is it from?
2- You are a fast metabolizer or naturally have a lot of MAOI. If you didnt feel anything, in that case, double the rue dosage next time.
3- Ground rue and immediate drinking of dmt might be unnefective way. Maybe the MAOI take a few minutes to move from the seeds to your stomach, and maybe your dmt was metabolized before all MAOI was inhibited. In that case, I would suggest either extracting the rue and consuming pure alkaloids (ideally), or at least make a tea out of it (boil 3x, filter, reduce and drink). Then I guess drinking dmt together or soon after might work.

It might be one of these possibilities, or a mix of them.. In any case, good luck and keep us informed!

Endlessness - I believe the rue is a sample pack I selected while placing an order at Maya. This was about 7 months ago. It came in a little ziplock bag and I've opened it a few times to examine it over the months. Would that effect rue's harmalas?

I think I probably AM a fast metabolizer (I've always been skinny).

Thanks for the help. I think there's about 6g left to play with...hopefully I can nail down the proper recipe quickly :-)

I'm a very fast metabolizer as well and very skinny. I've always used 3g rue, no more no less. Always works like a charm. I also wait half an hour in between. I like to put the rue in gel caps so you can't taste em. I then poke holes in them before ingestion with a thumb tack. I use the "0" size, can't find the "00" near me. With the "0" 3g ground up seeds fit into roughly 13 capsules. I'm pretty good at swallowing pills so it's not really an issue. Personally I never "feel" the rue at 1/2 an hour in except as you put, maybe a little bit of gas My suggestion, take the 3g rue, wait 1/2 hour then drink the DMT-concoction. I might also hold off on the apple for a little while until after you've consumed the DMT cause I find that eating something small is more effective after you've allowed some DMT to already be digested than to block up the initial digestion with an apple.