endlessness wrote:Welcome to the Nexus!
Are you into sufism? While this is very strong in your nickname, you didnt actually mention anything related to it in your intro essay.
Regarding Shamanism, well, that is an interesting discussion. Personally I wouldnt say shamanism is neither supersticious mumbo jumbo, but neither that it is a very 'scientific method', because shamanism, the way I see it, is not a method, but rather related to a cultural phenomenon inserted in a certain context. It will be hard explaining this very quickly, there is a book which does it a billion times better than I could, but its in spanish (Los Chamanismos a Revision, by J. M Fericgla).
Anyways the idea is basically that a lot of people think of shamans as the centerpiece of shamanism and isolated from a context, as if they have certain powers and as if it doesnt matter where they are because they will still have that power. Rather the idea is that they are part of a broader context they are inserted in, and that thinking of shamans only makes sense when understanding they are part of certain dynamical relationships, and making sense only insofar as they serve their adaptative function inside that society. I think nowadays we idolize shamans too much and try to extract a more "romantic" version of shamans to fill the holes that western society leaves us (for example spiritual healing and so on). But this is a misrepresentation of the complex functions they actually serve.
One more thing, I dont believe in this dicotomy of "indigenous medicine and science vs western medicine and science", and I think this can open the doorway to many problems. First of all, there is no consensus amongst indigenous people regarding their world-views or the use of every medicinal plant. In fact some indigenous cultures might consider some substance as a poison while others it will be some kind of medicine, just as an example. Also, I think that, while western medicine has been associated with many mistakes and bad practices, so have indigenous knowledge. I think we need to stop thinking in "VS", and think "complementary". What works works, and what doesnt doesnt. A shaman might be able to help you with certain deep personal issues, but maybe he wont be able to cure you of some diseases that western medicine will easily do. In fact often shamans will recognize their powerlessness regarding certain diseases that western medicine can cure.
Im not saying this is the case for you, but im affraid of people romanticising indigenous knowledge and/or alternative medicine and this leading to potentially serious problems (we have enough cases of people who died or had serious complications by refusing to treat in western medicine but rather go to some alternative method and having problems over something that was easily curable).
Anyways that was already too much from me, sorry about that. Again, welcome to the nexus! See you around!
I am not into sufism as such; I can find things in sufism which appeal to me, but any organized dogmatic religous practice is bound to be besides the point and rigid.
My name comes from an experience I had in which I had visions of whirling people from different ages and spontaneously started whirling myself (for five hours).
In my experience, shamanism is simply the complete adaptation to the natural habitat. In essence, every human being is a potential Shaman.
The ones that are drawn to shamanism, either by cultural or social traditions and lineage, or by (spontaneous or otherwise) visionary experiences are simply the ones recognizing and acting on their potential.
The traditional Shaman is very different in every culture, but the basic similarity of all true shamans is in their success as, among other things, empath, psychologist, healer, pharmacist and confidant.
The Shaman is the one knowing the herbs in his/her surroundings which heal, which are edible, which are poisonous and their apllications and effects on human minds, bodies and behaviour. The shaman is the one who knows the cycles of the natural surroundings and the seasonal changes upon behaviour of the Natural world.
Usually the shamans that are encountered nowadays are simply repeating (some of) the knowledge they learned from their predecessors and have not had the experience the ancient shamans necessarily had of discovering the properties of every herb, plant or prayer. They generally do not know anymore what the original songs and practices are an expression of and to which Natural phenomenon they c0rrespond.
Shamanism isnt opposed to science, but it is rather a combination of science, tradition and intuition, using the things known, learned and the things intuited for healing purposes among other things.
Scientific method discards experiential evidence as unscientific and not empirically testable. Which leaves a wealth of information out of the equation.
The greatest difference between scientific method and shamanism is in the direct applicability within the given circumstances. While scientific method uses standardized results as a reference, shamanism and intuitive/spiritual healing uses patient-specific methods which are in natural circumstances and when dealing with human subjects, much more to the point for pinpointing and touching the source of the problem.
Modern medical science tends to attack the symptoms while shamanic method heals the source of the problems.
Again I like to point out that this is in it's undiluted form; nowadays many shamans no longer find apprentices to whom they can teach the traditional knowledge AND the methods of discovery which the first Shamans necessarily used. Shamanism isnt something that can be taught to just anyone, it needs to be taught to those who feel a calling to Nature; empaths who are a little bit outside of normal societal structures.
The positive point of modern medical science is mainly the vast lists of recallable data from experiments done under strict conditions. It is that huge database which makes experimentation easier for future discoveries. For the rest it is actually just a large scale form of one aspect of shamanism but which leaves out the human factor.
Shamanism works in a natural environment, with the Shaman as the mediator and expert, offering specific personal remedies.
Medical science works in a standardized laboratory environment and offers standardized remedies which work for the average modern human being.
Not much difference; each works for the environment and paradigm in which it is performed.
Modern medical science does ignore many aspects of the human experience; the individuality of each human being, the spiritual world of experience of the 'patient', the specific life experience of the patient. For modern medicine, a sickness is merely a physical thing and it treats every disease as such, for spiritual/intuitive shamanic practitioners, the source of the sickness IS the human experience and influences upon and the history of the 'patient' are of the greatest importance.
It stands to reason that a synthesis of both methods is the best way to proceed. If ofcourse the complete recovery and personal wellbeing of the patient is the goal. Which is not the main objective for many modern practitioners.
Shamanism in it's most authentic manifestation IS this synthesis. Transmitting data and knowledge, teaching invention and exploitation of intuitive capacities, from suitable practitioner to suitable practitioner thruout the generations.
And as for certain 'magical' abilities of the Shamans, every human being is in potential empathic, telepathic, precognizant, and has the ability to take away pain and heal others. Those are not magical abilities at all. They consist of using one's senses without preconceived ideas and opening and combining them. All it takes is a quiet mind.
"Consciousness turns moments into tangible components of the Unity which is (in) everything."