Hi all, SWIM has many years of experience w/ LSD, LSA, Mushrooms & the like, but SWIM is new to the DMT experience and wants to learn more. SWIM only has had experience smoking, but intends to try an oral dose either today or tomorrow. I have some Chaliponga & some Jurema, any suggestions witch would be better for a 1st time and any idea of a good dose to start? Thanks.

Wow, not the most welcoming bunch, eh? Meh, no worries

So SWIM has since had two experiences w/ oral DMT. 1st time chali & jurema, 2nd time jurema only. The 1st one SWIM used 4 grams of Syrian Rue, second time only 3. But, the 1st time made me feel really kinda strung out (mind racing & what not) and the 2nd time not. Any body else had this, could it be the extra gram of Rue that caused that? And does that ever happen w/ too much caapi?

Hey bro, welcome!

Sorry for no replies, as you may have noticed the nexus in the last few months has become very busy and sometimes we may miss some post. I guess its also an opportunity to practice patience when we dont get the answers we want

Regarding the negative feelings you had in your experience, its impossible for us to accurately say what it was, first of all because you dont describe it too thoroughly ("strung out" and "mind racing" are quite generic statements that could for example describe normal psychedelic effects, depending on your mind set).Secondly its hard to say whether the extra rue caused something because other variables may be involved (different set and setting? self-suggestion thinking it will be better? Maybe the chali mix in the first one and not the second made a difference, etc). Lastly because from just two experiments its hard to make a relationship, maybe it was coincidence/chance, or what not..

What I can say is that some people dont like excessive amount of harmalas, but there's many individual differences in harmala metabolism so 3g can be a lot for some and too little for others. Thats why you have to experiment and find for yourself whats your ideal amounts from a specific batch (remember if you change batch, you have to find the ideal dosage again, as alkaloid content may vary a lot even from same suppliers).

What dosage of chaliponga and jurema are you using? How where the experiences, how was the setting?


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Thanks for your reply, I guess there was some set issues involved w/ the 1st time because SWIM was watching 9 Lives of Fritz the Cat w/ wife at first but she wasn't enjoying the movie. Her uncomfortableness was making SWIM uncomfortable, So SWIM changed it to some comedy show and everything was fine. Both times the setting was very much comfortable, I prefer to be at home & either alone or with people I love while taking any psychedelics (too many unnecessarily bad acid/shroom trips when i was younger). The only reason I suspected SWIM may have a lower tolerance for the rue is SWIM had taken 3g of rue a few times previously to get comfortable w/ it before adding anything else but never exceeded 3g & It was more after the tryptamine effect wore off that SWIM was left w/ the negative feelings. Admittedly, There were a great deal of variables though. the second time SWIM was coming down from a good dose of Peruvian torch so that may have effected things too. Even the method of preparation was improved the 2nd time around. The dose was 2g chali/2g jurema the 1st time and 3.5g jurema the second (which I believe is not excessively high or anything). SWIM probably gained just as much from both experiences, It just seemed a bit like night and day between the two experiences. The 1st was very negative and self-critical the second I really learned to love myself for who I am. Definitely more experimentation is in order but I'm in no big rush. Again no worries about no replies, I was just playing around.

Oh and thanks to any one who reads this for being here, theirs just so much good information on the nexus. Its a breath of fresh air really. Theirs too much bad info about hallucinogens on the web. Also thanks for having a site that stays away from all the shady stuff like addictive street drugs & drug dealing etc. I love that you guys keep it more spiritually focused instead, so thanks a lot, you guys are great.