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olympus mon
#1 Posted : 11/1/2010 10:50:38 PM

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im not sure how this popped in my head today but it did while replying to another thread. i think it could be a good discussion on its own here in the science room so ive pasted it up.

imagine the infinite possibilities of 3 dimensional letters forming 2d shapes. picture a giant 3d sculpture of the letter "I" . from perfectly straight on it looks 2d and like an I. rotate left one step. now close one eye and notice the shape these new perspective angles create viewed in 2d. a good analogy would be looking at a cube broadside it appears a square in 2d, view a cube from straight on at a corner and you would see a diamond in 2d.

this glyph continues to appear as new shapes each stopping point as you move all the way to 360 degrees around the 'I' horizontally. now thats just on one axis! you will get a different glyph from every possible axis viewing from each possible point on each axis.

now imagine that giant 3d I'. place a 3d V' a few paces behind the I, view it broadside straight on, close one eye and picture them in 2d and notice the new glyph formed from two separate glyphs. this new shape was made from not only 3dimenional letters but from 2 letters occupying different spaces. as you orbit around the pair of letters they would morph from one glyph into 2 then back to one as you past their profile all the while making new unique shapes.

something like this could make it possible to have a different way of reading information. visualize all the 3d letters of the alphabet in a 10 by 10 space as a spherical cluster. as the cluster spins on each equatorial line the viewer would stay stationary reading all the changing shapes as 2d patterns. if we had assigned meaning to all the possibilities it would be like reading a book as the new words morph into existence before your eye's. like an mri sequence as you travel up the body but it would all come from one cluster of 3d letters.

when you consider the sheer amount of possible 3d glyph like shapes, which ones and how many are put in a cluster, what angle, and where they are placed within that cluster. then add all the viewing positions it may be possible to assign a unique shape to every planetary body helping compute things like theoretical simulations of the big bang in super computers. slightly like the lie group e8 has each point assigned to all the different known and predicted particles and forces.

once science realized they could calculate every single particle in existence they invented numbers like the googol, googolplex and googolplexian. they simply needed a new "language" to move forward with research. maybe reading and writing will someday be too slow and cumbersome of a method to convey thoughts and ideas as complex as hyperspace can be. often i find words fail me when explaining experiences. science has mathematics, could a new language like this be the mathematics needed to explain consciousness or hyperspace in the future?

maybe something like computer modeling holds a new way of storing huge amounts of data in smaller spaces.

im not kidding myself that this is a practical thing, its just a good exercise for my brain and i enjoy trying to train my mind to think past its limits.

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#2 Posted : 11/2/2010 3:38:37 AM

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Cool brainstorm.
I like it.

It makes me want to take up more sign language classes.

Visuo-spatial linguistics is a fascinating subject.
In many cases, a great deal more information can be conveyed visually than auditorily.

Human language is constantly evolving. It forms the basis of our ability to understand and conceptualize everything.
Language allows us to think abstractly.
To understand time.
To ask and answer questions.
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#3 Posted : 11/2/2010 5:43:21 AM

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Very interesting theory! so trying to visualize it in 2d format... cause SWIM is no good with 3d photoshop effects, with your above example, would it go something like this?

EDIT: as far as the 2d representations reflecting on the x and y axis
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#4 Posted : 11/3/2010 1:36:21 AM

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awesome diagram btw i wish i was savy on a comp because id love to make visual explanation like that. im using the word axis incorrectly. ill edit the original so it makes sense, thanks for pointing this out. let me clarify.

picture a clock laying flat on a table. place the 2 letters I' and V' in the center of the clock face in line with each other 1 inch apart. imagine your on the end of the second hand facing inward. as the second hand travels around the clock from the 12 and 6 o-clock position the shapes will appear as one, and from the 3 and 9 o-clock position they are 2 shapes because you are seeing them from the side/profile.

im picturing the sphere dissected by orbits like our equator expect instead of just one picture hundreds of equators. basically every way a sphere can be dissected into 2 equal halves.
now instead of the viewer moving around the sphere in orbital motions have the viewer stationary but the sphere spin.

is that making any more sense?
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#5 Posted : 11/3/2010 2:42:07 AM

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Ah okay. the clock depiction helped visualize it. this new language could prove useful when holograms become commonly used Razz
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