Is Kratom good to mix in with Ayahuasca?

in my experience the bad thoughts usually come up for a reason and should be dealt with instead of ignored and suppressed further

I haven't tried kratom yet

Yes yes yes, my good man. Spot on!

I feel that using depressants and sedatives in order to avoid bad trips is nothing else than lobotomizing the entheogen, and therefore your experience and indeed yourself. If you experience tension and bad experiences, it is a good reason for it. Entheogens are about self-exploration and development. All people have negative elements in themselves that needs to be faced in order to be removed and yield a better psyche and a better life. As such, bad trips are often the most rewarding ones on the long-term.

Benzos make me angry:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: !!!!!

How could you choke the divine beauty of entheogens with a poison produced by man!!!!!!

Anyhoo if you can't handle all aspects of the experience maybe the experience isn't for you.....

Coolio.

And what dosage do you take of kratom ? Standard dose or very small dose ? And does it somehow potentiate the effects of psychs ?

Not everything man produces is poison! Whatever "Divine" power created these entheogens, it also created us,
and thus everything we create is a fractal of the original Diviner, and should not be judged any more harshly.
There are natural poisons that can kill in a second, as well as human medicines which are quite beneficial.
All in moderation!

I do agree with your other point though, suppressing feelings with benzos do not make them go away, just temporarily forgotten. We must face the good and the bad to see all sides of the spectrum for true growth.

To the OP, I have experience with kratom, but not in combination with psychedelics. However I find if the dose is not right, nausea and dizziness can present itself which may be exaggerated due to the trip and interfere with it. I would think a low dose at the end of a trip may be very nice though and could help relax after you've battled your demons

(Note: I use Bali kratom and it has always been sedating for me, I know other strains can be more stimulating than relaxing, so I have no clue how they would combine with psychs.)

@Electric.Sight: Big Pharma and everything it makes is pure poison. PERIOD.

Guess that settles that then.

I guess its a good thing Kratom wasn't made by big Pharma. Moderation in all things.

Kratom muddles things slightly when on psychs but not much to worry about. More importantly, it's effects are often unnoticeable while peaking on psychs and can make you tired during the reflection phase of the trip. For this reason, as with any benzos or opiates, I reserve Kratom for post-peak. I think this serves two main functions. First, a rush of energy and clarity of thought during the reflection phase of my trip, and secondly, relaxation if not sleep after the psych effects have faded.

Well Camdemonium, I suppose that means you have not experienced the wonders of LSD as that was also man-made!
I fail to see the logic that just because it's man-made it must be bad?
You are a man, or woman. Does this mean everything you have made is equally bad? Or is it just drug related?
Repeating a statement doesn't really help to explain it

I think I will have to try this next time I trip, I usually smoke weed after effects have faded to relax and bump the trip back up a notch before sleeping.
I find pot clouds the mind too much though and its drag can be felt up to a whole week, kratom seems much more appealing for this purpose.

Big Pharma (Sandoz) invented and made LSD.

lol Obliguhl, great minds think alike!

Next time you take a bunch of xanax or klonopin just TRY and breakthrough, I dare you!

Seriously though, am i the only person who thinks these companies are *PURE* EVIL ?

http://articles.mercola....an-prescribed-drugs.aspx

Obviously not...

Next time you have to get treated for something really serious and life threatening (poliomyelitis, cancer, malaria, ebola, gangrene, you name it) just try to cure yourself with no big pharma remedies.


Maybe and I hope that stays like that. It is rare to hear so blunt and stiff opinions that seem to lack a thorough appraisal on a given issue, fail to objectively appreciate pros and cons but rather resort to straight up judgemental anathemas.

Well it was nice talking to you sheeple

Watch your language here. If you want to spew derogative terms around here and play the self-righteous dude you know very well where the exit is.

Or you can adopt a different strategy if you believe that this issue deserves more in-depth discussion and you can start a new thread on this topic no ? Wouldn't be that great since it is a very interesting topic? It will be a great opportunity for you to show us some things (that we may ignore), learn from other people's opinions and also challenge yours and generally make a nice discussion which people here prefer far more compared to strict dogmatism.

Kratom makes pot more visual in a different way.

Read that the lower (stimulating) dose of kratom can cause anxiety during a trip and it is best used, as said above, after the peak. Cannot vouch for it from experience.


I think a "Is Big Pharma ... " thread would be enlightening for the community but am not good at making polls.

All I'm trying to do is open people's eyes, if they don't agree with me speaking my mind then too bad; I will keep saying what I feel is truth until someone puts a bullet in my head. I'm not trying to offend anyone, i just want people to make their own decisions and not be so adamantly convinced that everything they hear on t.v. or read in the news or even are told by their physician is absolute truth. I feel that society has lost its connection to the thing that we should revere most: Mother Nature, and pharmaceutical corporations do nothing to remedy this detachment, that's all.

Perhaps you should try just a little Klonopin instead of "a bunch". Just because you can't eat a 1/4 bar of a xanax doesn't mean the rest of us don't have self control.

As far as Pharma companies being pure evil....., nah. They definitely suffer from capitalistic greed, but that doesn't mean they haven't discovered very useful remedies. I for one would be dead it wasn't for antibiotics.