I have a friend who is interested in DMT. She works in a family business, and is scared of having some revelation during the trip which may lead her to walk away from the business or have an attitude change towards work life balance which may contribute to a failure on her part to run the business.

She appreciates that this may not be a negative thing for her personally, and that DMT affects everyone differently and on different occasions. However, personal feelings aside, she is concerned that any action like this may have a negative impact on the family business.

Is this sort of reaction to work/life balance a common occurrence?

I hope this makes sense!

I’d think that if the first thing that comes to mind for someone when contemplating taking DMT is that a revelation will lead her to walk away from a family business, then she’s probably already aware on some level of some issues that may lead her to walk away from the family business!

What makes her so suspect? Is there an underlying issue she doesn't want to confront?

I did leave a job because of Ayahuasca, but I hated it. Ayahuasca finally made me acknowledge how I really felt and gave me the strength to move on to better things. Ayahuasca had nothing to do with my feelings about the place: it inspired me to be true to myself and how I already felt.

It will bring any kind of cognitive dissonance to the surface, that much is certain... but it also lends creativity and blessings to find inspired solutions. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

Yeah, I know - I said to her that obviously she has some issues about it already. She experiences quite a bit of stress, but tolerates it for the sake of keeping the business running, not letting down her family and as it is a good source of income.

I just wondered if DMT use would perhaps influence her to neglect her family's interests for the sake of her personal satisfaction.

I doubt it would adversely affect you. Its not like weed where it can make you lazy and give you a "F IT" attitude. But if you feel what you are doing is wrong it could give you the push needed to try and better yourself. So if the family business is clubbing baby seals/cutting down the rainforest you may wanna quit afterwards.

She's already conflicted about quitting. That's fine. I completely understand the feeling, I'm going to study administration, I expect to hate it, psychedelics mostly disapprove, but I'm going in anyway and we'll see what happens. Psychedelics tend to tell me I should go live in the forest, but this is still my life. I still make the choices. They may be wrong, they may all be wrong, and that's why psychedelics are valuable. They make me see where the friction is and they connect me with something more important, more basic. My last trip (not DMT) made me realize the importance of being able to let go of "real life" to better connect with the trip, knowing that no matter what it shows me, it will be important, it will end and reality will be back. I think if DMT makes her quit her job then it will be a good decision in the end, but I would be very surprised if that happened. I tend to come back from journeys happier than ever to have the life I have, and determined to work within it.

She can't turn away from this problem. It doesn't mean she has to decide either way, but problems have to be faced and experienced, that's how you learn to find a place for them in your life and grow beyond them.

On the other hand, if crack fuels a decision, I would say it's a no-no

DMT and Aya really make me apreciate and love my job all that much more.

I am a more compassionate understanding humanbeing because of my relationship with hyperspace. This makes be better at my career.

No, it hasnt negatively affected my career and I dont ever expect it to.

In my experience, dmt won't take away any motivation. As other posters have said, ayahuasca has motivated them to stop doing things that suck, and move on to better things. Or, in my case for example, I don't particularly care for my job, but dmt motivated me to keep doing it anyway just because I realized it's the best thing on the table at the moment, and that's ok, because life doesn't have to be perfect.

I guess I should add that while I was in that initial job that I did quit, the only advice Aya ever gave me was to "put love into everything I touch," down to every scrap of paper and receipt that passed through my hands. It was perspective shifting in a lot of ways, and definitely felt like a training ground for giving love through all conditions.

It is imperative that you give yourself a week, or even a months time before making any drastic life changing choices after indulging in, Spice. Revelation or not, there are some effects of Spice that can highly influence your decisions.

You may feel that everyone in the world needs to know about what you have just seen, or learned. DMT has an after-effect entitled on these forums as the, "After Glow" A feeling of bliss, happiness, and energy which can and does influence users to do things that are out of the ordinary (i.e., quitting your job). This feeling can last anywhere in the massive window of a couple hours, to a week.

Please, if you do discover yourself (Which is the point), make sure you don't do anything too life changing without giving yourself a suffice amount of time to think things through while not under any sort of remaining effects of, Spice.

Come into Nexus-chat and talk about it with the dozen other very respectful members who are normally in there, whom have been through this many-a-time.

It may also depend on what type of job you're in. If your careerplans include becoming president of a medium sized or large industrialised nation, then i would be carefull not to have video's circulating on youtube of yourself lying knocked-out in some ally with a crackpipe in your hand.

Also, if you are a stockbroker or policeman for instance, i would not recommend talking with collegue's about stuff like machine-elfs, hyperspace, interdimensional travelling or giant preying mantisses from outer space.

If you're a navy pilot or operator of a large nuclear facility it is also highly recomandable not ever to be under the influence of DMT while working.

I suppose it all depends on what job said person does, and what it is they realise that would make them want to leave.

For me personally its done wonders for my jobs, both of them. I'm self employed, so I can spend as much time as I need to intigrate some of the more heavy experiences, whereas before.. when I had an employer I found it tricky to focus on anything else but entheogens, so the work suffered.
One thing it has done is prepare me for situations I'd have ran a mile from before, standing on stage infront of hundereds of people is no where near as scary as DMT can be I actually really enjoy it now!

I've been wanting to respond to this post for a few days, but haven't had a chance to sit down and do it up until just now. It's a very valid question you're posing, and one that I've mulled over a fair amount myself throughout the last year and a half.

While I'm not a stockbroker, I am very invested in my career - and it's a highly competitve, bubbling cauldron of ass-eating stress on the best of days. I am a businessman. I'm good at what I do and I play to win - and while I always endeavor to conduct my affairs in a manner of which I can be proud, the truth is if I catch you napping you can bet I'm playing it to my advantage.

DMT (especially in the early going) has a way of affecting your perceptions as they relate to ALL areas of your life. It won't rob you of motivation (at least not in my experience), but it may make you question the way you are living - which, while confusing, is (IMO) a generally positive exercise. For me, it's taken a bit of the snap from my shorts, professionally speaking. The rat race in general just seems much more hollow, as does the pursuit of material comforts and the end game as previously imagined. It's harder to keep my head in the game when the game feels trite and empty. It's hard to accept and embrace what can feel at times like pre-conditioning. I'm a guy with a bunch of responsibilities, however - so chucking my shoes and wandering into the wilderness with backpack of spice and glass vaporgenie in tow just isn't so much of an option; and because of this, I'm challenged daily to put my epiphanies into perspective.

In that regard, I will echo the advice that one should be careful about rash decisions. Enlightenment is a beautiful thing, but it won't get the washing done. For me, the goal and ultimate lesson is one of achieving balance - and while this may seem like Personal Development 101 to many, it's something brand new to this SWIM. Moderation has never been very prevelant in my life - and to be very honest, it's never been something I've really aspired to cultivate. But my ideas of who and what I am are continually evolving (and in a much more pragmatic, real world way than musings on the nature of the cosmos). I'm a work in progress, as is my career - and spice is playing its role. Whether this is ultimately a positive or negative, I guess only time will decide - but more often than not I believe that the shifts I'm experiencing are fundamentally healthy.

Hi guys,

Thanks very much for your replies, and for the time you have all taken. I've let my friend read your replies and it has put their mind at rest. She is quite strong willed and rational, so hopefully she can analyse and integrate her trips successfully if she decides to go further.

Thank you!

DMT doesn't forcibly insert revelation into a tripper who seeks none. If she wants a transient experience, and not lasting guidance, that's what she'll get. There's absolutely nothing to be afraid of.

Unless, of course, she's afraid of having the blindfold stripped away, and suddenly being unable to remain in denial of some truth she already knows.

I use DMT simply because I find "the other side" fascinating and meaningful, during my short stay. When I return, my beliefs and skepticism of psychedelic revelation remain perfectly intact.



Very true.

I don't think using DMT as a divination tool is a great idea..I mean if if gives u some suggestions on how to better your life, and you agree, then by all means, go for it. But what if you had a revelation on DMT saying if you kill so-and-so a person you'll become a bilionaire..Would you do it?

I take what DMT tells me with a grain of salt, no matter how profound the revelation at the time. I then re-examine when sober and see how if fits into consensual reality..I mean, God help me, I would love to live in a forest with not a care in the world,, but unfortunately, we all have to deal with life..Actually my last pharma trip the big theme it was telling me was "Meh, its just life" everytime I brought up something troubling me. And it actually did help a lot!

ummmmmmmm, no? wants and desires have absolutely nothing, ime, to do with what the experience is. The experience is what it is and seemingly, varies each time to such a staggering degree that I find the above statement completely beyond ridiculous and absurd. Maybe I'm missing something, but, ime, we do not choose the revelations or lessons presented to us by spice. You can't unsee or unlearn these things. While that may not be something to fear, it is NOT something to be taken lightly and it should NOT be assumed that the tripper has any control over what they are presented with. All the tripper can control is accepting and going with the experience.

That is 100% ridiculous!
And really misses the point of how beneficial "teachings" can come from these experiences.

Generally the "teachings" are not word-for-word suggestions....positive or negative, big or small...they come from your own interpretations of the experience & how it fits into your own interpretations of your everyday life experiences.
More of a self-realization & understanding, than someone coming up and telling you "do this or do that". You are doing your own work here.
The experience is just the catalyst, the randomization generator that allows one to completely dissolve normal thought processes & outside stimulus & dive into the river of absolute knowledge, that we are all a part of but are normally to caught up in the human psychological condition to really tap into.

If you want more than just a colorful, intense ride...it is there for you, but not outright handed to you...nothing worthwhile is ever just handed to you.

So anyway, unless you are nuts & already seriously thinking about "killing so-and-so & becoming a billionaire", you probably are not going get suggestions from taking DMT, to go about doing something like that.
You may however realize that going through life with money as your identity & your only goal or reason to move forward, is an empty & endless pursuit that only leads to wanting more money!!
That need is never filled...ever...because it's not real!

DMT experiences & "teachings" tend to be a bit more spirit & journey oriented, than physical gain oriented.
The actual value of money is 0.0, it's value is literally just an image....just a number on a computer somewhere.
And one day it will be replaced with something else, it won't last.
Like they say, "you can't take it with you"!


WS

You're right, we can't direct our trips.

My message is simply that DMT will not commit you to a new belief system. You see the show, and you get to decide what it means. It's reading poetry, and not getting brain surgery.

Alrighty, I went and edited my big, long post, and I think I summed up my point much more concisely. What do you think of my conclusion?