Hello,

I was recently introduced to DMT by a friend who has a PhD in chemistry (introduced meaning he told me about it). Neither one of us have ever tried it but I am generally fascinated by psychoactive substances. I will list hereby my brief experience with such substances:

- Meperidine: took it on and off for one year
50mg: feelings of extasy lasting about 24 hrs. Able to drive with no problem.
100mg: extasy, jubilation, and freedom from pain, for 48 hrs, including during athletic endeavors. Athletic performance at its absolute best. Able to drive with very slight impairment.
150mg: extasy to the point of delirium, slight loss of control, 48hrs+.
300mg: overdose. Eyes wide open. Tiny pupils. Extremely sensitive to every slight sub-mm movement.

- Oxycontin/Oxycodone: weak compared with meperidine (demerol). Lost interest quickly.

- Weed: Smoked several times joints and bongs, and while people around me smoking the same stuff were flying, it had absolutely no effect on me, other than red eyes and hunger. After several tries, I have no idea what it's like to be high on weed.

- SSRI (Prozac)
20mg daily: Took 5 weeks to start feeling its effect. It's a nice pleasurable sensation that come over the body, like butterflies in the stomach.
40mg daily: nausea, disconnection from reality, inability to feel emotions, spaced out feeling. Could not take it more than 2 days.

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DMT

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I was instantly fascinated by DMT and knew I wanted to try it. I am halfway through the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule, which I just started yesterday. I couldn't put it down.

I came here in hopes of finding like-minded individuals who would like to have an open, intelligent conversation about DMT (and 5MeODMT) and psychedelics in general. As of now I am just taking in all the new information.

you "ended up" here?
Mh don't know if this is the end or the beginning.

Anyway don't like your use of antidepressives, but

Welcome to Nexus


Mr_DMT

Danke! Here's hoping it's the beginning.

About anti-depressants: I decided to experiment with Prozac after reading the book Listening to Prozac.

I am not depressed, and it's not addictive. It's the #1 prescribed drug though and I wanted to know what it feels like, and see if it really causes a shift in personality (in my case, not much).

Hey mate and welcome!

I don't like much that you drive under the influence of opioids. While you may seem okay to drive and actually have no trouble with normal traffic, something unforeseen may happen and your decreased reaction time may cause you to crash, maybe in another car. Play with your own life as much as you want to, but please, have the decency to respect the lives of other human beings! I must also say, I agree with Mr_DMT that SSRIs are something to avoid in most cases, especially when you in fact aren't depressed.

On the other hand, I completely understand the urge to experiment, and can totally see where you are coming from. Therefore it is truly a wonderful thing that you have found DMT! DMT and other related entheogens may offer the urge you have to experiment and better understand ones own psyche. I would not jump on the train and take a large hit of DMT as your first psychedelic experience though, I would suggest you try around 2 grams of Psilocybe cubensis.

That way you may feel the water before diving it, because believe me, the substances you have tried are all nothing at all comparable with DMT and other high-dose psychedelics. Good luck and safe travels, and once again welcome to the DMT-Nexus!

Evening Glory - thanks.

Can you suggest a course of experimentation that I can follow? Start with Psilocybe cubensis, then what? then what?

I was also looking for an easy way to get started and found ayahuasca, is it a good way to get started with DMT? Is it sold in the US?

where to get aya/etc: suppliers section

whatever way you do start, start with low doses. Take your time to read this forum, there's pleeeenty of information out there to help you out understanding how its all done, the doses, etc etc. Once you do read around for a while, feel free to ask any questions you still wonder about. FAQ is always a great resource

Good luck. You're in for a big surprise, but if you're doing your part in daily life and ever-trying to become a better person, take care of set and setting (do read the health and safety section here in the nexus too, its very important), and you go into the experience with respect, you're gonna be amazed, awe-inspired, thankful and more.

Wonderful post from endlessness. To continue:

Various Psilocybe mushrooms can be found growing wild in some parts of the US, or you could easily cultivate Psilocybe cubensis. A good place to start is the Shroomery (although the attitude there is, honestly, utter crap compared to in here) and the PF-tek if you want to cultivate.

I would suggest you start with around 2g of P. cubensis or an amount similar in strength from another psilocin/psilocybin containing mushroom. If you enjoy what you experience, you could take perhaps 4g of mushrooms, in that dosage range you start seeing what these entheogens are really about.

If you still want to ride the train even further, I think it is time for DMT. Ayahuasca is - at least to me personally - much more healing than smoked/vaporized DMT. The ingredients may be purchased at internet shops based in both US and abroad, and this wonderful thread from ms_manic_minxx teaches you next to everything you would need to know about Ayahuasca.

After having tried Ayahuasca, you could try pure DMT. Or you could try pure DMT first, it doesn't really matter. The best way to go about this is to extract your own DMT from Mimosa hostilis, which also is available both from the US and abroad. All you need for this is to be found on our Wiki.

Note that this in no way is the only good way to go, but personally I can't think of any better ways. Feel free to experiment, follow your inner voice and be spontaneous, for these experiences are really all about coming into better contact with oneself.

Best of luck! And please, do ask if there's anything on your mind!

Thanks so much guys.

I will finish the book in the next couple of days. After that I think I want to visit some head shops and try to buy stuff locally. I am very uncomfortable with leaving a trail by buying stuff online - even if the stuff is legal to buy. You never know who might be watching.

I don't know if aya or mimosa hostilis, etc, are sold in head shops or any kind of shops but I'll have to find out. Ideally I would love to buy everything locally and pay in cash and remain in the shadows.

There's a 99%+ probability (a number i pulled out of my ass) that you will not be able to find mimosa locally (unless it naturally grows in your area), and headshops would definitely not have it. Best, and cheapest place to buy it is through online. Also, its better that way, because then you don't attract unwanted attention. Jimjam Shop is my favorite (cheap and high quality).
You may be able to find (if you're super lucky) Caapi Vine at a botanical nursery, if there's one near you (but i doubt it)..so online is the way to go mcr.
And welcome to Nexus

Ditto on what the others have stated here. You probably wont find it, and you might get some strange responses when asking.
In addition to that, a word of caution. If you hunt your local head shops you are likely to be directed toward Salvia as a "DMT like experience", or "a wild & crazy psychedelic", etc. I'm not sure how familiar you are with Salvia, but don't be sweet-talked on it by your local head shop.

I have ZERO opposition to Salvia use personally, but I feel obligated say that it's important for you to understand that it is an extremely powerful entheogen; As powerful as DMT, and typically a LOT less pleasant. I just wanted to throw this out in case you are offered it during your search.

Good luck and go slow my friend. Most people have many years of psychedelic experience under their belts before they venture into the realms of DMT. It's no toy, that's for sure. It can be an incredible teacher and healer however.

Peace,
-idt

Ah I see. I suppose I'll get the stuff online then. To be honest, I'd like to get aya and try that first in small doses, for no other reason than that it should be easier to prepare than to extract my own DMT. Please correct me if I am mistaken, but aya+maoi is the easiest way, no?

I have so far read 200+ pages of The Spirit Molecule book and must say that I feel both excitement and fear. I can't wait to "break on through to the other side," but am not sure how I would react at insect-like beings probing me. I am not ashamed to admit that I am a bit afraid of them, and I'm no wimp usually. I guess, like the book says, nothing can really prepare you for the trip.

The book also forced me to revisit memories, emotions, and things that I buried in the back of my mind; things I avoid thinking about. This is going to really interesting...

Edit: I will check out jimjam. Thanks for the warning about Salvia, I considered it briefly but read that the trip is just plain odd, nothing to do with the enlightening experience of DMT.

Well, the terminology can be a bit confusing. The Ayahuasca vine (b. Cappi) itself contains the MAOI's (beta-carbolines) required for MAO inhibition along with other actives, so you don't want to combine your Aya with another MAOI. It IS the MAOI in an "Ayahuasca brew". Now a traditional "Ayahuasca brew" contains the Caapi vine, along with a dmt containing plant such as Chacruna or Chaliponga, as well as other psychoactive botanicals depending on the region and / or people it is prepared by. To make things simple you want B. Caapi vine, combined with either of the leaves I've listed above. Check out the Aya forum on here for more detailed info. I believe Ms_Manic_Minx has outlined things quite detailed. Also check out the Ayahuasca Forum. Gather as much knowledge as you can. What you are about to embark on is NOTHING like popping a pill. It's a life changing experience, and should be approached as such. Additionally, a "small dose" of Aya may or may not give you anything. It's not something you can really regulate dose on accurately, so don't expect that you can.


Salvia has it's place as well, but it is certainly VERY different. I think it can be very enlightening, but it's probably best used in its traditional ROA, rather than smoking high powered extracts. Purely in my humble op!

May I commend you in being forthright in your questions and information seeking. Your approach appears to be wise. Good luck brother!

Peace,
-idt

idtravlr, thanks for all the info! I now see that aya may not necessarily be the best way to go.

It's 6AM, I couldn't sleep until I finished the book. I've never read 400 pages so fast in my life. My brain has never craved information as much as it did with this book. Fascination would be a sad understatement. I will withhold judgement until I enter hyperspace and see for myself.

On a not-so-unrelated note, I went to see Inception. If anyone has seen it, your opinions are welcome.

PS: Jimjam is all sold out of MHRB. OK, which one of you is buying up all the product on the market?

Welcome to the Nexus

Have a good read around the different parts of the Nexus and have safe and rewarding travels.

PS-oxycontin (oxycodone HCl) weaker than demerol? Definitely not- both on a weight for weight basis and in terms of duration.Its just the oxycontin is a controlled release prep which wont slap you in the same way as demerol unless you know how to prep it for 'recreation'

To be honest then, maybe I am wrong. It may have been hydrocodone or some -code or -contin. Demerol used to annihilate me though. I was flying, euphoric. Most powerful thing I've taken to date.

I don't really have access to an off-topic section, but I have a question that I'd like to ask here since many of you are so knowledgeable and helpful. This is has been something I've been searching for before I even discovered that these mind-altering substances existed.

I am, by nature, an INTP. An analytical, logical person, the brooding philosopher type. Social interactions are not my forte. Small talk annoys me. However, paradoxically, I love going out, socializing, meeting people, etc.

I am looking for some kind of mild substance that would allow me to relax and approach people in a social setting, banter with them, etc. Something so mild that I would be able to drive. Definitely not something that has the potential to obliterate me or send me into hyperspace.

Any suggestions?

Don't drive under the influence of anything stronger than moderate doses of caffeine. If you want to be able to safely drive, I think you should avoid any inebriating substance. Sceletium tortuosum as ragabr suggested is good, but I urge you to not drive while under the influence of it. In higher dosages it is capable of quite strong sedation and even inducing hallucinations.

You should take a look at the water lilies Nymphaea caerulea, Nymphaea ampla or Nelumbo nucifera. They are all very mild in effect, but definitely noticeable if you are somewhat in contact with your body. You should be able to drive safely while under the influence of one of these, but seriously I can't recommend it. Please stay sober while on the road.

Haha! Aren't we all! Add in "non-addictive and zero side effects" to your statement above and you'll have defined a billion plus dollar discovery!

Sorry man. Not at all trying to be critical, I just couldn't help but fire off a smart-ass reply to that one.

Peace,
-idt

Thanks for the suggestions - please keep them coming! I like that those herbs suggested are unscheduled.

I actually can manage the transportation part - by having someone drive me for example. I am extremely careful on the road, I don't even drink, never driven under the influence except those couple of times on demerol.

Funny thing tonight, I went out and was sitting at a table, drinking a non-alcoholic drink and reading something on my phone, when I was approached by this hot blonde I made eye contact with. She sat down and we chatted a little bit, and while I got her number or whatever, I knew I failed to really create attraction like I can when I'm 'on'. I felt myself struggling. I'm not even going to call her because I'm frustrated. I need to get out of the logical mindspace and enter the emotional mindspace in order to create good vibes and get the results I want out of my social interactions.

In other words, ideally it would be something that can land you between sober and tipsy, where you're sober enough to legally drive, but tipsy enough that you're in the 'fun' zone.