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#1 Posted : 6/10/2010 7:32:26 PM

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After having many trips to bizarre worlds in hyperspace, SWIM decided to explore his physical world using full trip doses. It requires some practice and decree. In the first trials SWIM felt very dizzy observing the physical world with his eyes. It was much easier to close his eyes and to go to hyperspace. Meanwhile, SWIM can walk around and observe nature and inanimate objects under influence of DMT. The most shocking to him was to observe his own body. The proportions were not right and the colors were strange. SWIM believes a person with an unprepared and untrained mind would freak out seeing that! SWIM observes his hands being like made of plasticine. On his skin, there are patterns moving, but if he tries to look closer to see more details of the pattern it disappears.

SWIM knows that everything in our world is energy which vibrates with distinct frequencies. Energy vibrating with a very high frequency becomes matter. Lower frequencies are perceived as sound and light...

But what are the patterns SWIM is observing on his body? Why does the physical world loose proportions? SWIM thought he could see through skin seeing his red colored flesh; that is why his hands looked reddish. But after more trips in the physical, SWIM could not manage to really see through skin (or walls).
Or is it just an overlapping of hyperspace perception with the perception of the physical world?
Is there any (scientific) rational to these experiences?
Does somebody here travel in the physical?
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#2 Posted : 6/12/2010 8:36:56 PM

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It is exactly what you think. Reading your words, it is beautiful to realize that you have also realized.

But what are the patterns SWIM is observing on his body? Energy, just as you said.

Why does the physical world loose proportions? Because you perceived it to be so and it happened.

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#3 Posted : 6/13/2010 12:19:44 PM

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Is there any (scientific) rational to these experiences?


Perhaps but not based on statements like this:

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SWIM knows that everything in our world is energy which vibrates with distinct frequencies. Energy vibrating with a very high frequency becomes matter. Lower frequencies are perceived as sound and light...


This is not true. High energy ionizing radiation like gamma rays is not more like matter then low energy radiation like sound waves. They are both made of photons with differing frequencies.

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Does somebody here travel in the physical?


Yes. I think its interesting to observe the changes dmt has on external sensory perception. I've noticed a number of patterns that have to do with the colors seen and the colors of the room/environment a traveler is in. Nothing concrete yet though.


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But what are the patterns SWIM is observing on his body? Energy, just as you said.


What are you basing this conclusion on? I don't think statements like this say anything coherent about dmt and its effects. Saying its all energy is about as vague as it gets.
 
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#4 Posted : 6/13/2010 2:14:45 PM

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burnt wrote:
This is not true. High energy ionizing radiation like gamma rays is not more like matter then low energy radiation like sound waves. They are both made of photons with differing frequencies.

In the name of scientific accuracy, I must correct you. Sound waves are not low energy radiation made of photons. Sound waves are mechanical vibrations/oscillations of matter, such as oxygen, nitrogen, and carbon dioxide in air. No photons involved.

Electromagnetic radiation requires no medium for it’s propagation, whereas sound does (there is no sound in a vacuum).
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#5 Posted : 6/13/2010 5:00:01 PM

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SWIM knows that everything in our world is energy which vibrates with distinct frequencies. Energy vibrating with a very high frequency becomes matter. Lower frequencies are perceived as sound and light...


It is true that all is vibration, and the physicality we experience as our bodies and the world around us is just vibrations at a frequency at which is perceptible to us with our natural senses. I always felt that it vibrating at the lower end of the spectum, rather than the higher end...or perhaps somewhere in the middle. Wink
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#6 Posted : 6/14/2010 2:33:46 PM

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In "The Secret" they tell us that everything is energy, especially here (deleted scenes from the movie): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8LGnqiZefg
In the book "The Science of Getting Rich" (published in 1910!!!) Wallace Wattles terms it "thinking stuff". Here is a quote from the book:

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There is a thinking stuff from which all things are made, and which, in its
original state, permeates, penetrates, and fills the interspaces of the universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/..._Science_of_Getting_Rich

As SWIM wrote, on DMT (lower dosage), everything in the physical world looks like made of plasticine.

Conclusion:
what SWIM percieves is the homogenity of everything, it is a visual proof of the fact that everything is made of the same basic ingridient!
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#7 Posted : 6/17/2010 8:00:31 PM

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In the first stage of a mushroom trip i find myself staring at surfaces. There will be pattern-like-visuals as if they are hoovering or 'wavering' above/in the surface, perhaps you know what i mean. These visuals are especially profound on rough surfaces like a carpet or irregular wall. But when i look at my skin i will see them to.

When i dont really try to study these visuals, then they appear are yellowish, greenish, blueish, sometimes purple like. When i do (try to) study them they appear white or sort of transparant. Cant really put my finger on it (that much is clear ; )

At first, without paying to much attention to these visuals, they appear to be hoovering above/in the surface, like an extra layer. But when i study more carefully these visuals are not an extra layer. I seems as if they are the same effect as the tracers i see when moving around something glowing (tip of a joint) in darkness. Or the long tail of a fly, like its dancing with itself and drawing figues. My memory seems to not 'correct' the moving picture. Instead of seeing one picture/spot, i will see two or more. So when i look at a spot on the carpet, and then look at a spot next to it... then the memory (visual) of the first spot tends to overlap/blend with the next spot. This makes for the 'wavering' i guess. And then my brain starts to see patterns, no doubt about that. Symbols, figures, fractals, all possible, and always somewhat resembling ancient art. And these visuals are very susceptible for suggestion, i can see fractals, or i can see symbols.. I can evoke the shape shifting from one sort of pattern to another sort. And when i look at my hand i will see them as veins. There is only one common denominator: they are always mathemetical in some way. Im literally seeing 'math' happening and being shaped by my suggestions. Im thinking these pattern-like-visuals are the results of the way my brains are wired. a priori. Like a math-bias. In this way, it seems as if my brain is seeing time (two spots - two moments) as a spacial dimension : ) The two moments are connected in 3D.

Anyways, although common and not loaded with any significance in particular, these visuals still fascinate me again and again.

And i can certainly imagine some may call them vibrating grids of energy.

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#8 Posted : 6/18/2010 8:16:37 AM

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In the name of scientific accuracy, I must correct you. Sound waves are not low energy radiation made of photons. Sound waves are mechanical vibrations/oscillations of matter, such as oxygen, nitrogen, and carbon dioxide in air. No photons involved.


Thanks for correcting me I meant to say radiowaves. My bad.

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In "The Secret" they tell us that everything is energy, especially here (deleted scenes from the movie): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8LGnqiZefg
In the book "The Science of Getting Rich" (published in 1910!!!) Wallace Wattles terms it "thinking stuff". Here is a quote from the book:


The secret is a total scam.

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At first, without paying to much attention to these visuals, they appear to be hoovering above/in the surface, like an extra layer. But when i study more carefully these visuals are not an extra layer. I seems as if they are the same effect as the tracers i see when moving around something glowing (tip of a joint) in darkness. Or the long tail of a fly, like its dancing with itself and drawing figues. My memory seems to not 'correct' the moving picture. Instead of seeing one picture/spot, i will see two or more. So when i look at a spot on the carpet, and then look at a spot next to it... then the memory (visual) of the first spot tends to overlap/blend with the next spot. This makes for the 'wavering' i guess.


SWIM has very similar effects on low doses where SWIM can keep track of things. Especially the layers and slowed down 'correction'.

 
 
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