Hey folks, I've not posted much lately but as work has finely slowed a bit, I've been feeling the calling of the infinite, once again.

So Last night,(4th of July) I wanted to go to the other side, but I only had one, rather small dose left. Probably 30mg or less. So I decided to brew up a Syrian Rue tea. This would be the first time I've mixed DMT & an MAOI and I had wanted to try it for some time now.

I drank the tea about an hour before I smoked the DMT. I was extremely mellow from the S.Rue tea and I definitely noticed the lack of nervous tension that I normally feel before a DMT experience.
I took 2 good hits & 1 smaller hit, then I laid back into the pillows that I had put out earlier as I felt the rush coming on, but it was much slower and my heart was not racing like it normally would be.
All of a sudden I was shooting through space, there was no veil, there was no transition, I was just suddenly in a different place!! It seemed 1000's of miles away. The rest of the rush was just plain unexplainable, things were just moving & changing way too fast to put into words. It seemed to last only a little longer than normal but as the "entrance" faded, It seemed to reach a plateau (I'm usually coming down by this point).
I was aware of my body again but I was still in this other realm as well. I felt like I was in a deep jungle, no kidding!! I could hear drums and low chanting, or maybe it was digerido, off in the background. I was guided by a voice who was ancient and loving and I was going in and out of visions for a good hour!! I would be somewhere, deep in a situation, with other people, or at times, totally alien landscapes and entities. Then it would just wash away, and I would be back in my body. Sometimes I would open my eyes and I would still be hallucinating heavily!! Then one of the swirling patterns in the air would begin to open into another place/time/world/vision and it would start again.

It was not out of control feeling at all.
In fact, it was wonderful!! I had wanted to spend more time in the DMT universe and as I was making the Syrian Rue tea, I talked to it, asking it to show me its world. To "open its doors to me".
I was given exactly what I asked for!!! I can still feel the loving spirit around me, the day after.

The whole experience lasted over an hour and a half!!
I think the initial flash probably lasted 10 minutes or so. Then I was in the visionary state for a good hour. When the visions were gone, I had to piss like a hoarse and it wouldn't wait. After that, I laid back down for 20 to 30 minutes with the "latticework" type OEV's still hanging in the air and I was enjoying being able to place my consciousness anywhere I wanted to in my body. Instead of my "mind" coming from my head, I was thinking from my arm, and my chest etc...
If that makes any sense.

I had slight tracers and could feel the "psychedelic-ness" in me, the rest of the night. I Slept like a log and felt great the next morning!!!

I would like to thank El KaBong for giving me the idea and inspiration to want to try this, from reading his/her posts. You were by all means correct!!! This is the way to smoke the spice!!!
Thanks!!

!!WOW!!

WS

This topic happens to be very interesting to me...I have looked into this myself a bit, and most experiences I've heard using the MAOI along with smoking the elfspice were incredible experiences. tho they were never the same. But then again, needless to say, what two trips are ever EXACTLY the same? But I do like the sound of the whole DMT experience lasting over 1 1/2 hours and also being more calm as the rush comes. Definitely gotta try it. My only question, is there another readily available (easy to come by) MAOI that could work? Or do you think it would be best to stick with the Syrian Rue seed tea?

Most Ayauhasca additive's (MAOI's) are readily available on the web with a little searching.
Syrian Rue seeds are cheap and high in Harmala (I think that's what it is), so you don't have to used a ton of them to get a strong tea. They also make a cleaner extracted tea, from what I've read.
I have only tried it this once, but I would like to try traditional Ayahuasca and this was definitely more of a "journey" that smoked DMT alone.

I've heard that different additives give different slants on the effect.
You can also use Banistropsis Capi, Passion Flower & Psychotria viridis (Chacruna) among others.

I have more than half of the S.Rue tea left over.
Does anyone know how long it will keep in the fridge?
I'm out of spice for the time being, planning an extraction soon, got the materials, just waiting for the right time.

WS

Yeah I've heard that as well. I also heard you can make a type of Ayahuasca brew using just the MHRB with the Syrian Rue seeds for the MAOI. Kinda how the shaman in South America use Banistropsis Caapi and Psychotria viridis as the MAOI. Have you ever heard of this?

Since MAOIs are illegal in austria, are any of these herbs legally available in Aus?

Really? Oh well I'm not exactly sure what else you may be able to use. i guess your main option is to just keep researching, the best info you'll probably be able to get is here online.

If you were to Google "buy intended herb here", you should find a ton of vendors and most of them also have links to info (including legal status) about the plant in question.

You may want to try reading around on Erowid for legal info as well.
here: http://www.erowid.org/ch...yahuasca/ayahuasca.shtml

Sorry Mate!!

WS

Passion flowers are not to my knowledge controlled anywhere in the world. Every health food shop around the world that I have ever been in, sells them. Which is precisely the reason why I go into health food shops. Also, they are with out doubt one of the most beautifull flowers in the world. I can not imagine any garden center not stocking them. They aren't particularly strtong but definately worth while.

100x caapi is available to buy if you do a google. Something id like to try just need to grow a pair lol

SWIM's friend had a very similar experience, if I trust what she's saying it was 400mg harmala alkaloids and 1hour later 30mg spice.

no anxiety
direct entry into hyperspace
experience lasted 10min
visuals and trippy/dreamy feeling lasted for an hour later
pure bliss all the way through

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I made the tea with:
30 grams of seeds that I pre-powdered
1 "lemon ball" of lemon juice
and 1 large bottle of Pelligrino (750ml)
brewed down to like 400ml of tea over 2 hours

I only drank like 1/6 to 1/8 of the tea, mixed with equal parts 7up & fruit juice during the hour before smoking around 30mg of DMT.

I drank so little of the tea I was quite surprised by the strong effect!!
The recipe did say to use 30 grams though. Is that a lot?

WS

If your talking about Syrian Rue seeds, its a hell of a lot. Normally 3-5g is all that is needed.

Like I said, I only drank about 1/8 to 1/6 of the brew, so the dose I actually ended up with was probably like 3 to 4 grams, 6 at the most.

Anyone know how long left over Syrian Rue tea will stay good, if kept in the fridge?

WS

I would imagine quite some time. I have left it in a glass with some cling film over the top, for over two weeks. It showed no visible signs of going off or mouldy and no loss of potency. I would probably freeze it if considering leaving it for longer.

The stuff tastes so bad though, maybe some mould or fungus on top might improve it.

Ha! Yeah these things never taste too good do they?

My Rue brew tastes like straight up lemon juice. And thats after I mix it with equal parts 7up & fruit punch!! Not nearly as bad as mushrooms though, tea or raw.

thanks!

WS

OK, I was a little bit fearful of this... but now, not so much. How careful should I be about my intake of certain food substances prior to consuming such a tea?

The major harmala alkaloids are RIMAs. RIMAs are not complete MAOIs and don't usually require any dietary restrictions at all. SWIM never avoids any food while taking harmala alkaloids, except foods like coffee or chocolate which contain drugs that interact with harmala alkaloids.

You don't need a special diet, but you do need to watch out for drug interactions. Look up RIMA on the net. Here's a good link to check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIMA

SWIM eats all the forbidden MAOI foods all the time and never has any reaction with haramal alkaloids. NEVER. Only coffee and chocolate, and that’s only if he has them within 4 hours after taking the harmala alkloids. Before or after that it there’s no reaction in SWIM. The reaction with coffee and chocolate is that they become stronger, that’s it. 1 cup of coffee feels like 3 in SWIM, so he avoids those two things during a harmala trip.

I personally did not notice any reactions to any certain foods, but remember,
everyone reacts to everything differently.
So be careful the first few times!! See how your body reacts.

I did not eat any cheese or cheese products the day of, or for 24 hours after.
I did eat a steak (medium well) about 2 hours before drinking the tea.
After after the experience, I really only ate some grilled turkey, a few bowls of cereal, and water or Gatorade for the 24 hours after.
I tried to keep it simple. Grains, cooked meat(not smoked!) & No Cheese!
I also have a rocket fast metabolism. Things tend to pass though me pretty quick.

It was very nice!! Exactly what I was looking for!!

WS

I make an effort not to deliberatley consume lots of the prohibitive items listed as being problematic when using MAOIs. This does not make a great deal of differance to my life. Apart from beer and cheese, my diet is generally fairley free of most of the other foods. There are so many other foods available without going for the pepperoni sausage and chocaolate dip, that it dosn't in practicle terms feel like there are any dietry restrictions.

The traditional food before an Ayahuasca ceremonial fast, is white fish and rice. Since I enjoy both, I like to cook these for my dinner, the night before. Whilst on an aya journey and comfortably settled, I will drink beer in moderation without any side affects. On one occassion, I tried a can of strong cider, before finnishing the can, I had an excruciating splitting headache. I have never drank cider whilst tripping again.

I don't see any point in courting disaster but if you are tentative and carefull, I think you can pretty much do as you please.

It's only a subjective opinion but from experience I believe that fresher Rue/lemon juice extract is definitely better. On 2 occassions I've had some stored in the fridge for a good long time (month+) and the effect hasn't been as significant as with fresh extract. Though it must be said both occassions were with different qualities of DMT from that used before so it may not be solely down to the extract.