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#1 Posted : 5/13/2010 6:25:53 AM

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For you physics buffs - I really enjoyed reading about this guy. Part surfer, part theoretical physicist, all genius. I tell you, the visual representation of the E8 mathematical object looks familiar for some reason Shocked I swear I've seen that on high doses of shrooms.


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An impoverished surfer has drawn up a new theory of the universe, seen by some as the Holy Grail of physics, which has received rave reviews from scientists.

Garrett Lisi, 39, has a doctorate but no university affiliation and spends most of the year surfing in Hawaii, where he has also been a hiking guide and bridge builder (when he slept in a jungle yurt).


In winter, he heads to the mountains near Lake Tahoe, Nevada, where he snowboards. "Being poor sucks," Lisi says. "It's hard to figure out the secrets of the universe when you're trying to figure out where you and your girlfriend are going to sleep next month."

Despite this unusual career path, his proposal is remarkable because, by the arcane standards of particle physics, it does not require highly complex mathematics.

Even better, it does not require more than one dimension of time and three of space, when some rival theories need ten or even more spatial dimensions and other bizarre concepts. And it may even be possible to test his theory, which predicts a host of new particles, perhaps even using the new Large Hadron Collider atom smasher that will go into action near Geneva next year.

Although the work of 39 year old Garrett Lisi still has a way to go to convince the establishment, let alone match the achievements of Albert Einstein, the two do have one thing in common: Einstein also began his great adventure in theoretical physics while outside the mainstream scientific establishment, working as a patent officer, though failed to achieve the Holy Grail, an overarching explanation to unite all the particles and forces of the cosmos.

Now Lisi, currently in Nevada, has come up with a proposal to do this. Lee Smolin at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, describes Lisi's work as "fabulous". "It is one of the most compelling unification models I've seen in many, many years," he says.

"Although he cultivates a bit of a surfer-guy image its clear he has put enormous effort and time into working the complexities of this structure out over several years," Prof Smolin tells The Telegraph.

"Some incredibly beautiful stuff falls out of Lisi's theory," adds David Ritz Finkelstein at the Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta. "This must be more than coincidence and he really is touching on something profound."


Layman's version
http://www.wired.com/wir...2007/11/surfer-physicis/
http://www.telegraph.co....heory-of-everything.html


Physicist's Version
http://en.wikipedia.org/...ple_Theory_of_Everything
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#2 Posted : 5/13/2010 7:21:10 AM

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Here's a TED talk with Garret Lisi.
Cant say if it's good since I dont know my fysics.
Sounds/looks cool though, guess well see if it's true when LHC
is fully operational.

Garrett Lisi: A beautiful new theory of everything
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Gk_Ddhr0M
 
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#3 Posted : 5/13/2010 7:39:59 AM

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#4 Posted : 5/13/2010 7:58:16 AM

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This is some awesome stuff!!!

here's another: http://www.youtube.com/w...GK1s&feature=related
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#5 Posted : 5/13/2010 11:43:48 AM

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stevowitz wrote:
This is some awesome stuff!!!

here's another: http://www.youtube.com/w...GK1s&feature=related



From the you tube video:

Welcome to the future of humanity.
Science is rapidly approaching singularity as physics has recently formulated a revolutionary new theory of everything which unifies al the fundamental forces in nature under a single force. Nassim Haremen was the first to formulate a unified field theory based upon sacred geometry. Garret Lissi independently formulated a similar theory which showed a complete set of theoretical particles in their interactions with one another when rotated to various charge dimensions. All this arising from a purely geometric structure called I8. Critics of this theory have pointed out that some mathematical implications of the I8 … group predict certain gravito-electrommagnetic phenomenon that aren’t observed in nature. Whoever there are certain scientist that claim these effects do exist in nature. Yet their work has been highly criticized by overly aggressive opponents in the scientific arena. Some have even disappeared after having their companies bought out and are now believed to be working for secret government black operations. (SAY WHAT!?) But perhaps the most fascinating revelation of this theory of everything comes with the discrete topological expansion into helical structures of atomic nuclei. If placed in succession these form a fibonacci spiral based on five, the golden ratio, another important facet of sacred geometry. This manifests itself into a new periodic table of elements based on a spiral or cone instead of dimitri mendalives table. Walter Russel was the first to arrange the chemical elements in a spiral pattern, yet he failed to connect this a physical theory of everything. Now that we have this unification it has to be studied and tested rigorously. I strongly believe this simple beautifully elegant explanation is the most illuminated one ever stumbled across by science and philosophy alike. But sacred geometry is nothing new. Our entire DNAs double helix is based upon this same beautiful geometry and the more we study these things and learn about them the closer we will be to understanding the significance behind the underlying nature of the universe.


Sure is exciting stuff, also the articles and the TED talk : )

To put it short some scientists say the theory is nonsense because "...some mathematical implications of the I8 … group predict certain gravito-electrommagnetic phenomenon that aren’t observed in nature."

But then i ask, does that close the book?

Check out the discussion about the TED talk.
You can find it on that page.

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#6 Posted : 5/13/2010 2:46:43 PM
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I have no time to read through all the articles now, but the fact that lee smolin takes this seriously is an indication that it's serious stuff and also an indication that it will probably resemble loop-quantumgravity theories. Lee smolin is one of the leading figures in LQG.
 
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#7 Posted : 5/13/2010 2:49:54 PM

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THis is cool, but relatively old news (2007). The theory has yet to be proved or properly defended. But it started a firestorm!

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#8 Posted : 5/13/2010 5:26:52 PM

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Very nice, I posted this same thing about a year ago. Great talk, and interesting perspective.

RealAwareness wrote:
For you physics buffs - I really enjoyed reading about this guy. Part surfer, part theoretical physicist, all genius. I tell you, the visual representation of the E8 mathematical object looks familiar for some reason Shocked I swear I've seen that on high doses of shrooms.


High doses of shrooms, high doses of LSD...I even see it sometimes on Aya...I've had the E8 as by screen background for a while now Smile
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#9 Posted : 5/13/2010 7:19:22 PM

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Virola78 wrote:
Nassim Haremen was the first to formulate a unified field theory based upon sacred geometry.


I've recently been introduced to Nassim's work. Facinating stuff. He has papers you can read in PDF format...the math is way beyond me, but maybe there are some physicists/mathematicians out there that can makes sense of it. Confused

http://www.theresonanceproject.org/

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Director of Research Nassim Haramein and scientists at the Resonance Project Foundation have found a new solution to Einstein’s field equations which incorporates torque and Coriolis effects. Furthermore, calculations were rendered to describe the collective and coherent behavior of the plasma dynamics of ergospheres orbiting the event horizons of black holes demanding a highly structured polarized vacuum, resulting in an alternative view of black holes where the exterior white hole portion surrounds the interior black hole singularity.

From these calculations, a new paper has recently been released entitled Scale Unification – A Universal Scaling Law For Organized Matter, which describes our universe as embedded white hole / black hole or white / black “whole” structures from universal size to atomic and subatomic scales.

Instead of seeing ourselves as separate from everything around us, this view allows us to recognize that we are embedded in a fractal feedback dynamic that intrinsically connects all things via the medium of a vacuum structure of infinite potential.
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#10 Posted : 5/13/2010 7:52:16 PM

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Saidin wrote:
Very nice, I posted this same thing about a year ago. Great talk, and interesting perspective.

RealAwareness wrote:
For you physics buffs - I really enjoyed reading about this guy. Part surfer, part theoretical physicist, all genius. I tell you, the visual representation of the E8 mathematical object looks familiar for some reason Shocked I swear I've seen that on high doses of shrooms.


High doses of shrooms, high doses of LSD...I even see it sometimes on Aya...I've had the E8 as by screen background for a while now Smile

Yea, anyone notice the similarities between this type of math/science and Indra's Net, or other stories of cosmogenesis? I mean, the E8 looks exactly as Indra's net is described.

Since I began my work with entheogens I've been completely and utterly floored by the conceptual tie-ins between quantum theory/high level physics and shamanistic understandings and explanations of existence. When you go back and read some of Einstein's and Planck's and other major players correspondence where they discuss the physical and metaphysical implications, it's pretty damn apparent that they're using science to map and "prove" the same things man (or more specifically) shamans have always known about. It's truly fascinating and I'm always completely blown away by it.
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#11 Posted : 5/13/2010 8:09:49 PM

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I can't find a source to back me up right now, but I remember reading not too long ago that mathematicians found some serious mathematical flaws with Lisi's theory.


Edit:

Here's one article, there are many others:

Surfer’s ‘everything theory’ wipes out
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Just watched the video. This reminds me of fractals, everything can be broken down to basic building blocks. There has to be an emergence of the higgs-boson particle at some point otherwise there is no beginning and no end, much like a black hole with an infinitely dense gravity. Interesting and simple way to look at it.
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#13 Posted : 5/15/2010 6:08:33 AM

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gibran2 wrote:
I can't find a source to back me up right now, but I remember reading not too long ago that mathematicians found some serious mathematical flaws with Lisi's theory.


Edit:

Here's one article, there are many others:

Surfer’s ‘everything theory’ wipes out


It has ignited a firestorm of debate over the last few years, and the word is still out. Which is what good science does; inspire serious debate. Lisi has supporters and opponents in the top echelon of mathematics and physics all over the world. By and large though, most of his opponents are strongly invested in String Theory (at least the ones I have read), which would fall apart if Lisi is proved correct. The fact that so many of his opponents have a vested interest in him being proven wrong adds a certain political element to the controversy, but that is just a part of life. The theory, as will String theory, will stand or fall on it's own merits, that is the scientific method in action. The simplicity and elegance of Lisi's theory does appeal to me, it's almost comprehensible to me. But if String Theory is true, that would be cool too, though who the heck can understand 11 dimensions? Either way, my vote is with the Truth, whatever it may turn out to be.
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#14 Posted : 5/15/2010 6:12:30 AM

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Saidin wrote:
Very nice, I posted this same thing about a year ago. Great talk, and interesting perspective.

RealAwareness wrote:
For you physics buffs - I really enjoyed reading about this guy. Part surfer, part theoretical physicist, all genius. I tell you, the visual representation of the E8 mathematical object looks familiar for some reason Shocked I swear I've seen that on high doses of shrooms.


High doses of shrooms, high doses of LSD...I even see it sometimes on Aya...I've had the E8 as by screen background for a while now Smile


I guess sacred geometry may be sacred for a reason, huh? Either an intuitive understanding of reality at the mystical level, or a racial memory of some kind. Either way, it's very cool, the interplay between sacred geometry and modern physics.
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RealAwareness wrote:
gibran2 wrote:
I can't find a source to back me up right now, but I remember reading not too long ago that mathematicians found some serious mathematical flaws with Lisi's theory.


Edit:

Here's one article, there are many others:

Surfer’s ‘everything theory’ wipes out


It has ignited a firestorm of debate over the last few years, and the word is still out.

...

Based on what I've read, the problems with his theory are mathematical and not physics-related. Unless I’ve misunderstood the little I’ve read (always a strong possibility!) there is no debate concerning the flawed mathematics.

So maybe his ideas about how the universe is structured are correct, but the mathematics he used to describe his ideas have been shown to be incorrect. No debate there.
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the mathematical model seems to describe the macro
but it falls aparts at the subatomic level, in the face of the uncertainty principle.
hell, even rigorous math can't precisely describe what's going on at that level
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benzyme wrote:
the mathematical model seems to describe the macro
but it falls aparts at the subatomic level, in the face of the uncertainty principle.
hell, even rigorous math can't precisely describe what's going on at that level


But don't all mathmatical models break down at the subatomic level?
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#18 Posted : 5/15/2010 4:30:42 PM

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Saidin wrote:
benzyme wrote:
the mathematical model seems to describe the macro
but it falls aparts at the subatomic level, in the face of the uncertainty principle.
hell, even rigorous math can't precisely describe what's going on at that level


But don't all mathmatical models break down at the subatomic level?

I don’t think the problem was with the accuracy or predictive value of his model. I think the problem was a mathematical error.

Something like saying that x*x = x^3 (of course, a much more complicated error, but you get the idea).
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gibran2 wrote:

I don’t think the problem was with the accuracy or predictive value of his model. I think the problem was a mathematical error.

Something like saying that x*x = x^3 (of course, a much more complicated error, but you get the idea).


Ahh okay, I got it. Intersting that the theory's accuracy as well as its predictive value apparently holds up, but the math is off....hmmm. Seems like a contradiction, or perhaps a paradox?

Conceptually it makes sense to me. I've long had an affinity for an Octave of dimensions, which corrlates with music and the vibratory nature of the universe.
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Saidin is a fictional character, and only exists in the collective unconscious. Therefore, we both do and do not exist. Everything is made up as we go along, and none of it is real.
 
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#20 Posted : 5/15/2010 5:22:52 PM

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Interesting stuff. I swear I saw some similar eighth dimensional shape on the come up of my second aya walk.

It seems like this shape may also be involved with the higher level chakras. Go high enough maybe you'll get to the top/center/back/portal. Right? Hyperspace? Beyond? Wish I had an email so I could ask the surfer
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