In my town, phalaris aquatica grass grows EVERYWHERE, and if i wanted, i could harvest MANY seeds and alot of the grass itself for an extraction...My question is, how difficult is a phalaris extraction? I know it would have to be an A/B extraction, but exactly how complicating?

Couldn't i just simmer massive amounts of the grass in vinegar-water several times like making ayahuasca, but just add NaOH water to basify the tea to a PH of 13-14, and add a small amount of naphtha or hexane to pull with a turkey baster and freeze precip in a 1/2pint jar?

Would this work? I HATE the de-fat steps simply because of the stupid emulsions that never seperate

Doing an STB with lime and pulling with limonene, then salting with fumaric acid has been reported to work. However, it seems that gramine is very difficult to chemically separate from the spice. A respected member on here mentioned that gramine vaporizes at a higher temperature than spice, but one would need a fairly accurate temperature readout on a vaporizer to be sure. The effects of gramine on humans is unknown, but it's suspected to be what kills sheep when they eat these grasses.

I honestly dont mind a little bit of gramine as long as its a dmt, 5meo, and bufo mix...Im just going to go ahead and do the A/B extraction i typed above...Exactly how much grass would i need to yield a good amount? I basically got unlimited supply here in Oregon

Dude... You don't mind a little gramine? It may pose a serious health risk, including brain damage and Parkinson like symptoms. You don't mind that? At least you should vaporize the final product in an adjustable vaporizer, not consume it orally, as gramine will not vaporize before 138 C.

The alkaloid concentration in Phalaris aquatica is extremely variable, so your guess is as good as mine when it comes to how much grass you would need.

138C is very close to the vaporization point of full-alkaloid freebase.

White freebase is >100C and the jungle is slightly higher, maybe even >138C

How little is little? What is a poisonous dosage for grammine? It may be too low if digested (it may be somehow metabolised to something non-toxic) but how about smoking even traces of freebase grammine? Smoking freebase grammine is like shooting it straight to your brain.

I'd say you be more careful with what you don't understand.

Well, i was unaware of the evils of gramine...So how do most people get gramine out of a phalaris extraction? What about the tek found through google using phalaris aquatica? Wouldn't that tek have gramine impurities?

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I have heard that juicing the grass is a methos that has been used when folks make an ayahuasca brew with it, that would GREATLY reduce your bulk ( 1 pound of grass or a cup of grass) the juice takes up alot less space, and you would be leaving behind alot of the waxes that would disolve in the vinegar/water when boiled. It's said that a tablespoon of this juice is very strong for aya mix..just a tablespoon!

I'm very interested in fiuring this out too..I'm an oregonian as well and have endless supply of both arundinacea, and aquatica. Though I have heard the wild grass isn't very concentrated. Your best bet from my experience in growing it is to transplant a bunch of it into flats pr long planters where you can closely control the levels of water and nutrients. I have grown the 'turkey red' strain of arundinacea and stressed it 3 times by letting the pots dry up till the tips of the grass starts to dry out, then some time in the shade with a good dose of fertilizer (mabey these steps would be better reversed? fertilize before stressing??)
I have grown some grass that gets alot of blood red patches and streaks, VERY BEAUTIFULL!! and VERY VERY potent indeed!!
I've been trying to find this srain again for some time with no luck at all..it used to be really easy to find..I'm quite dissapointed that I lost that plant!