Boiling points are often double the melting point, so I'm not surprised to find that DMT doesn't really boil at 80 C. I would suspect that 120 C would be needed. The actual melting point according to Aldrich (a company that sold DMT) was 58-67 C. There numbers are probably correct, and the others are probably in error. That would put the boiling point at about 120 C not 80 C.

well another thing we have to think about is that PURE..like absolutely pure dmt is not solid at room temp...at least that is what benzyme has hinted at...

Yes, it's waxy, meaning it's not a complete solid, it's very slightly melted.

in really basic terms it's this:

-Make a saturated solution of DMT (jimjam) acetate

-filter using 2 droppers, one with a small bit of a cotton ball stuffed in.

-Fill tincture bottle. Vinegar holds ~75mg/ml so you have what would likely be a very stable tincture.
(Alternatively a measured quantity could be dissolved for slightly more precise concentration)

-Tincture can be used for pharmahuasca/mucosahuasca and (just perfected) smoking.

-Since ~20 drops in 1 ml, each drop is ~3.75mg, use something flat and glass, like a coaster. (a spoon could work in a pinch) and place the required dose on the flat surface (10 drops = 37.5mg)

-Heat from underneath with a lighter (and heat source >70C will work) As the small puddle evaporates steam will be seen and the water evaporates leaving a thin film of melted freebase, when SWIM did this he didn't see any smoke, nor did it smell like vaporized DMT.

-Use a razor (or copper from the-machine if a spoon was used) to scrape up the freebase, scrape onto smoking device, smoke.

holy crap it worked....i had some freebase jimjam lying around..so i put about 100mg in some vinegar...and then evaporated the vinegar...left it on the heat until i couldnt smell acetic acid anymore...and then took it off the heat...and let it sit overnight...when i looked at it this morning i see freebase dmt crystals spreading across the glass

and yea there are a few particles of dust there...

That's amazing, I think if SWIM performed this, I don't know,my gut instinct says that the DMT would evaporate. SWIMS DMT Evaporates even when he's just heating some naptha at about ~70*C, you can smell it coming right out of solution and vaporising before the rest of it has even dissolved!! So, How you managed to boil off some vinegar and keep the freebase in the pan, I have NO idea.

Somone explain this to me?

Endlessness said - Im wondering if I should just abort this freebase evap conversion and go for sodium carbonate freebase because I could do it now already and not waste so much energy and not risk destroying the dmt.

Ice House Shaman said - damage control is a great idea.

I've been farting around with this conversion and it just isnt happening. I can see and smell my spice going up the ehuast hood. I would suggest sticking with sodium carbonate freebase conversion.

This tek needs to be refined and proven allot more by somebody that knows what he's doing allot better than me.

Call me a mongo but that didn't actually even impact on the surface. :s
Why is it heating DMT Acetate converts it to freebase, but heating DMT fumarate and or Freebase (dry or in solution) vaporises it?
There is definately no loss into the atmosphere? SWIM might have to try this!

SWIM's had some trifling results from vinegar evaporations. Something seems to be gumming up his product and almost seems like a sugar, as it has a sweet smell and seems to caramelize when an attempt to vaporize is made. He believes it to originate in the vinegar itself since evaporating straight vinegar left a powder and he had the same impurity when salting from straight limonene as well as veggie oil. This may be unique to the particular generic brand of vinegar, so he'll try evaporating some heinz distilled white vinegar and see what comes of it. Kind of unexpected and troublesome...he'll get to the bottom of it.

SWIM's decided to elaborate on the impurities he's finding when evaping vinegar:

The first photo is of the precipitates after evaping vinegar used in salting, diluted at ~1:2 with water. This after an IPA wash to remove residual oil and a bit air-drying. The precipitates are bone dry in this photo.



The second photo is of the precipitates having been scraped up. The consistency is waxy but doesn't adhere easily to itself, as it's quite flaky and could probably only be compressed into a resin to achieve a solid chunk.



The third is the remnants of vaporization. It's a dry powder and gives the vapor a sweet taste, as if caramelizing (as has been mentioned previously). Apart from throwing off the weight of the product, this powder will clog air passage if allowed to accumulate in a smoking device. SWIM still isn't sure whether this impurity originates in the vinegar or is carried over from oil and limonene, but he doesn't think it's anything that could dissolve in oil of any kind. Again, he's only seen this substance after evaping vinegar no matter what he's used it to salt from.

Well, no luck with Heinz distilled white vinegar. The photo is what it looks like when one evaporates it straight from the store. This has not been used in any part of an extraction.



For SWIM, that largely puts to rest the possibility of utilizing acetate's beneficial properties. He is, however, experimenting with IPA and vinegar, so we'll see where that goes.