SWIM is quite pleased, he ordered a book from amazon about the chakras and it tells him exaclty what he wanted to know.
I suggest that we all try to bring a little of the higher into our daily lives, and hopefully this may help others understand
some of their experiences too. The symbol above means the opening of the chakras, and also, health and healing.


Chakras in order of lowest to highest
1.Root or base chakra (red)
2.Sacral chakra (orange)
3.Solar plexus (yellow)
4.Heart chakra (green)
5.Throat chakra (turqoise)
6.Broow chakra (the 'third eye' indigo blue
7.Crown chakra (samsara) white or gold


and also, the energy bodies in ascending order staarting with closest to your physical body:
Etheric body - Kirlean photography captures this on film
Astral or emotional body
Lower mental body
Higher mental body
Spiritual body
Causal body

And here is a little bit of research on the bit that started me off on this wild tangent, from
"Early bhuddist discourses" by John Joseph Holder

"With mental control or 'mental culture' a person abandons the five psychological obstacles that lead to unwholeome actions: covetousness, ill will and anger, sloth and laziness, agitation and worry, and perplexity. Such a person achieves a sublime happiness and develops, step by step, the higher meditative states: the four jhánas, the plane of infinite space, the plane of inifinite consiousness, the plane of no-thing, and finally, the cessation of perception. mental culture culminates with the extremely high level of mindful awareness necessary for the achievement of wisdom or insight into things as they truely are, that is, a full realization and understsanding of the four noble truths.."

and you should also be aware (or mindful, hehe) of 'The middle way' which is a prevalent eastern concept and one of the four noble truths, and the path to nirvana;
which is a permament state of being, unfathomable to those who have not achieved it.

thanks for sharing this - it resonates with me right now.

nice caduceus.
The chakras are simply imagined or visualised objects. They have no actual existence outside of this.

Yes good stuff caduceus. I find it annoying when people talk about the "chakras" or "energy" as if they have the same sort of substance as matter. I think they're just very useful concepts to work with as we evolve through this painful but beautiful time.

Each of you has apparently never experienced a chakra opening. Like a DMT breakthrough, unmistakable.

^^I know some might consider the third eye, and the brow or ajna chakra one in the same...I don't know the biological basis for it, maybe the pineal gland, I don't know, but my third eye opened in a VERY clear and profound manner on my Iboga initiation. Never had an experience remotely like it. I was also surprised how much like an eye the third eye was, if that makes sense. But it wasn't some visual illusion, it was crystal clear, remained open for 2 days, I could see the room around me without the use of my eyes, and it has opened since that initiation through meditation, on chemicals, or before sleep.

I KNOW this is what occurred then. I have a friend who is experienced with Zazen meditation, and he described very similar symptoms to me, on 2 separate occasions, while completely sober and meditating (he was smoking a lot of DMT around this time, and described the experience as much more powerful than any smoked DMT experiences) and described the opening of a central eye/lotus flower, only it was so powerful and vivid he thought he was going mad while it was occurring. His psychedelic experiences have been deepened greatly by this since then.

Bancompuma - I've had a very similar experience, but with the heart center. It felt like a high-pressure fire of love pulsing in the center of my chest. It lasted for three days, and I had to hide in my house after the first day, as being around other people and open to their energies completely overloaded me emotionally. Since then, a more gradual process of opening has continued, allowing me to engage more fully with the information without it destabilizing me.

Wow. Interesting stuff. Gotta love the Nexus...in most exchanges, describing experiences such as this would likely get you labeled as a 'nut'. Here though you can actually compare notes with fellow travelers. Love it!

How can you possibly think this?!

What do you have to back up the fact they are not real. its all energy, everything is, and these are just centers for it, if you will

Hi There Captain Bones. I'll change what I said slightly. I don't think chakras can be taken to be as "real" as, say, our actual heart, and if you look at various systems about "energetic centres" in our body they don't line up close enough to suggest the sort of categorization often seen (where centers are associated with physical areas of the body, certain colours, etc.). I don't have a good response for your claim that you can feel your chakras, because every time I've "felt" my chakras has been when I was instructed to try to feel my chakras. I think concepts like chakras or "energy" defy a simple real/non-real dichotomy. From my experience the universe behaves *as if* chakras are "real", and *as if* various entities and energy forms we encounter with Spice are "real". So perhaps the best categorization I know of for these objects is "as if real".

Capt_Bones, do you have any counter-arguments or insights?

lysergify - i can mostly get behind everything you've said in the above comment. Which I think goes a far way away from temicxoch's "simply imagined or visualized objects."

I've studied the hindu chakra SYSTEM.
Here is my perspective on it:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=131933#post131933

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There's zero scientific evidence of the chakra system - Regardless, I thought some photos might color up the thread.

Enjoy.

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It's a system of practice and understanding, it IS NOT scientific fact.
No one who ever wrote the system claimed it to be.

I don't even think anyone in this thread suggested it as a scientific fact.

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I was not making a judgement -- merely providing a true statement.

I've practiced various forms of yoga for many years -- culminating in a Kundalini awakening.

I like being critical -- of even my own conclusions.



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No, well put, i do agree with this. It all stems from the conscious and our beliefs.
Sorry if i was confused

since the first time I smoked spice...I felt a HUGE rush of energy flow from my base and rush through my spine all the way out through my third eye.

at this moment(I believe), my third eye opened permanently. I have since felt what seems to be a rushing of energy on that very spot. constantly

I can't explain it. but it's REAL

and amazing

Agreed, it is all energy.

Various religions have attempted, in often conflicting and misleading ways, to describe and conceptualise the actual felt experience of < bodily > energy flow. Within the structures of these different religions these concepts < the 'chakras' > are then used as objects of visualisation meditation.

This is not the same thing as real.
HTH

Thankyou for the wonderful pictures, Very beautiful.

The reason that there is zero scientific evidence for the chakra system is that because it is an eastern idea and the constructs of science,
the idea in millions of people's minds for example, that if something cannot be observed or measured then it must be nonexistant or a joke,
actually pushes these things away.

If for the longest time you have closed your mind to the possibility of something, day after day you will subconsiously close down the way these
experiences can reach you, and eventually there will be no possibility, because there is no universe, there is only (mind+universe), whatever that is.
Quantum mechanics proves this in the language of mathematics and calls it entanglement.

On the other hand, When one is open to mystical experience, exploration of nonphysical realms and altered states of consciousness, through n,n-dmt, astral
projection dreaming and meditation, then the idea of a body of light becomes perfectly sensible. After all, The big bang is a spiritual idea too: the birth of
universe, The Omm of all everything into existance that still echoes through eternity, the birth of the bhudda, or the big bang.

Science can no more justify this idea than any eastern yogi can. We can't see it on a daily basis, we can't feel it, what are the evidences for the reminants of a
big bang? interstellar drift between points of light in the sky? The point im making here is that science expects us to beleive results of a hypothesis which explain
tiny measurements in observable reality, but then later, another study appears which claims the exact opposite results of what were observed. If we turn to
philosophy, Khun proposes that ther eare long periods of relative non-change, and then a massive paradigm shift will occur, completely turning current
understanding on its head. all the time inbetween these paradigm shifts people are essentially just proposing bullshit theories.

Whatever it is, It is beleived, imagined, proved, given thought energy and time, manifested into existence because it is allready true; if you beleive that
everything has allready happened, it is constantly 'now' and that all possibilities exist simultaneously. This isn't some half-baked crazy idea, this is quantum physics and deep mystical revelation combined - The life's work of many.

Interestingly, The mayans knew about the chakras too, as did many other ancient cultures. As westerners, we tend to assume that ancient means primitive, and that primitive means useless. This is not the case. These were advanced cultures which existed for thousands of years, happilly, without semiconductor technology, without television and individual isolation and without pollution and garbage, coincidently.

Jeremy Narby makes a fairly good case for spirits being entities of light, and highlights the evidence for cellular photon emission and uptake,
nature being a giant system of one kind in constant communication with itself and suchlike, in his book 'Cosmic serpent, DNA and the origins of knowledge.'