It seems to be a reaction from the limonene itself... SWIMS friend washed his near pure limonene (that hadnt been used for extraction) with vinegar and also HCL... Both acids produced the emulsion. It clears if its left to sit overnight.

nope, not the emulsion im talking about...im talking THICK emulsion that chills, seemingly forever when only using the 25 ml vinegar to whatever amount limonene. This emulsion was chillin in my jar for days upon days with no clearing whatsoever. It made the limonene less cloudy and upon adding more vinegar/extracting the emulsion, the emulsion became less and less thick with each subsequent pull, but this emulsion was hanging out as though it were supersaturated with actives or something, almost like a precipitation in the emulsion (obviously it wasn't. i'm just trying to explain what it looked like).

Sorry, you are right. SWIMS friends emulsion never completley cleared, but after 12 hours sitting it does seperate into a distinct thin layer (in betweeen the water and limo). So then one can extract the water easily without any of the precipitate.

There is definately nothing in that precipitate/emulsion. SWIM has pulled it and evapped. The result was a tangy kind of salt that burnt the tounge and was not active at all.

And yes, adding more vinegar/hcl water makes the seperation much easier.

Is anyone aware what will happen if we leave aside the cactus and limo for a few days?

Are we going to extract more mescaline or get more gunk?

Shouldn't be a problem to let them sit for bit...SWIM had his sitting for quite some time and the amount of gunk was not increased noticeably

nvm

Referencing the step where calcium hydroxide is first mixed with the powdered dry cactus, water is then added to start the basification reaction. It has been mentioned in threads that mesc likes water, so there is the need to add water, but too much may make the mesc less amenable to the limo extraction.

How about if the wet basified material is allowed to just sit out to both react and then completely dry out, followed by powdering the dry chunks in a blender and then adding the limo for extraction? It seems that might result in a greater yield of mesc into the limo, compared with extracting a wet material with the limo.

Any thoughts to this suggestion?

I was thinking same thing...
Ofc water is needed to basify, but i do not know if the water is needed to keep the mesc in freebase form. Once the mix is basified and left to dry, will the mesc remain in freebase form? And possibly the water also plays a role (as a bridge) when the mesc migrates from the mix into the NP?

Pls understand i am just trying to get a grip of what is going on in the mix. For educational purposes only. Seriously.
Little insight would be very much apreciated.
Ty.

So swim is seeing swirls in his evaporation dish , looking like particeles of cactus. He did filter with a coffee filter, but his filters suck and seem to get clogged up from nothing. So some anger and spilling occured... anyway, he has particles and maybe some limo in his evap dish. Would this be dangerous to use if he left it to evap anyway?

So finally the cat had the window of time to perform a cactus extraction.

In total 4 cuttings were used. These cuttings were 6 to 8 cm in diameter tip to tip, each about 55cm in length. The skin was peeled off. Green flesh was separated from the white flesh & core. Spines were cut short and left in place. Core was soft, not woody at all. Strips of green flesh were left to dried on a long strip of folded chicken wire, above central heating. The heating could be touched by the hand, not hot. Took two days to dry. Grinded to a fine powder using a cheap electrical coffee grinder.

Total weight of cactus = 5236g
Total weight of dried, powderized green flesh without skin = 105g

25g of fine CaOH powder was added and mixed thoroughly with the cactus powder. 240ml of tap water was added to the powder making it wet and crumbly. Used some chopstick for mixing. A strong smell of ammonia was noticed. This cactus mix was left for few minutes.

300ml xylene was added to cactus mix. After stirring with wooden (bamboo?) chopsticks the green mass had broken down into small blobs that didn’t mix with the xylene. The xylene was easily separated from the cactus mix. When tilting the big jar to pour off the xylene, the lump of cactus mix fell apart splashing the xylene. Luckily the lid of the jar was held close to the jar during pouring.

In total 4 xylene pulls were done. The xylene of pull 1 and 2 was reused for pulls 3 and 4. After pouring of the 4th pull of xylene the cactus mix was squeezed using a 500ml French Coffee Press to get almost all of the xylene out. The xylene was always clear and greenish yellow, even after squeezing hard with the press.

The yellow xylene was filtered through a coffee filter that was placed in a funnel (self made from a HDPE bottle.) The xylene was salted using 3x25ml natural vinegar 4% (next time 5% white wine vinegar will be used, since natural vinegar might contain traces of other acids, other than acetate.) Separated easily with 500ml sep funnel. No suspension was seen.

The vinegar was collected in soup plates. The cat had not noticed the surface of the plates was slightly curved near the edges of the plate. This caused some problems (time) when scraping the residue with the blade of a stanley knife. Next time the cat will more carefully select containers with flat surfaces. The vinegar was evaporated over the central heating, which was warm, not hot. The residue was dried fairly well before scraping. It was no longer oily. Thin curling layers of residue were easily sliced of the flat surface of the plates.

The residue was then washed twice using 25ml of cold MEK. The cat used a 10ml syringe to suck up the brown MEK. Next time a dropper will be used for this purpose because the syringe was difficult to handle (with MEK.) Could have gone wrong easily. Luckily it didn’t.

Total weight of washed cactus extract = 2313mg.

Yesterday little over 200mg was tested on an empty stomach, 17:45. After about 60 min there was clearly something going on, similar to MDMA. The cat went for a walk to enjoy and study this new experience. After some hours had past the cat arrived back home. He put on some music (Monolake, cyan), smoked some fine quality hash and opened the dmt forum. And then it struck him, at 21:13. This must be the mescaline. He was looking at the avatar of q21q21 at that moment.



And this figure has since that moment been the character of mescaline. Very appropriate to my taste of mescaline The experience was clearly becoming psychedelic at this point. There was no heavy visual distortions or so, but there were at some point some very clear and very nice closed eye geometries. Overall the cat got a nice taste of what mescaline is about. Around the 200mg indeed a good starter dosis. Higher dosis 300-400mg will be hardcore i have no doubt about it.

The cat told me he is going to wash the residue 2 more times with MEK to try to get some more of the other alkaloids out. Then he will test it again at around 200mg.

Thank you all here at the nexus for providing very useful information about cactus extraction. And in particular 69ron. The cat could not have done this without you. Thank you very very much for posting this tek

May I ask why this tech uses so much limonene? I guess if one uses fresh solvent each time that is part of the-- what seems like a lot more--. For one, I thought in general, but maybe I have this wrong-- that one could reuse the Limonene the three times during any given tech for which one needs to perform three pulls. In this case that would be 300 instead of 900. More importantly I assume because average cactus may have approximately 3X the alkaloid content of Mimosa; hence the 300 instead of 100 ml Limonene per pull. Thanks for helping me clarify this. P.S. I like the homemade funnel stand/splashguard!

I had an idea that I'd like to get some second opinions on.

What if you did an alcohol extraction on the cactus, and then did your limonene pulls on the resulting tar?

If this were successful, it seems like you could get away with using way less of the rather pricey limonene.

Unfortunately SWIM doesn't have the resources to try this at the moment. Anyone else think its worth a shot?

Few questions regarding this tek;

* 25 grams of edible calcium hydroxide (hydrated lime).

Where do you buy this product ?


*5 - Separate the vinegar from the d-limonene (the vinegar is at the bottom, the d-limonene at the top). This vinegar will contain mescaline acetate. Evaporate your vinegar in a food dehydrator at 155 F to get waxy amber slightly impure mescaline acetate. NOTE: to separate the vinegar from the d-limonene you can use a glass gravy separator or a separatory funnel. Seperatory funnels are considered laboratory glassware and are banned for individual use in some locations. A gravy separator works almost just as well and can be found at some local kitchenware shops.

What is the best way to evaporate the vinegar if SWIM doesn't own a food dehydrator ?

What is the best way to evaporate the vinegar if SWIM doesn't own a food dehydrator ?

How about a double boiler...

when extracting dmt and salting from limonene with vinegar, what SWIM did was simply put in a glass dish in the oven at low temperature (def quite under 100c) with the door open and a fan turned towards it.. that should work with mesc also

Swim just lets the vinegar evap naturally in the open air in a large pyrex baking dish. For him, 25 mL will evap in less than 2 days. He is patient so this is no problem for him. Keep in mind that mescal gets ruined by high heat.

69ron,
Is Calcium Hydroxide a better base to use than Sodium Hydroxide? And if so, why (anything to do with mucilage?)? Or are they both interchangeable?

Thanks

digglover: https://dmt-nexus.me/for...s&m=43584#post43584


"The other reason this tech is so high yielding is because calcium hydroxide destroys the mucilage. The cactus has horribly slimy mucilage which helps prevent the extraction of mescaline. The mucilage acts like glue preventing the solvents from getting to the mescaline. Because the calcium hydroxide reacts with and breaks down the mucilage, the base and non-polar solvent are both allowed better access to the mescaline."

That was a great post and answered a lot of my questions! Thanks for the find.

Two questions:

1. if some vinegar is left in the d-limo, is this going to be bad? Would SWIM have to add more (edit)calcium hydroxide to the mixture? HMMM.

2. How Should SWIM dispose of D-limo safely? Toilet? Grass? What do ya'll do?

Thanks,

Damiana