yep - jungle has been proven to be nothing more than spice - why is it so so different - why does it ripen ?
anyone who has smoked pure clear shards - then jungle can vouch for them being almost 2 different substances alltogether.
i guess its another case of - "the difference between practice and theory is more in practice than it is in theory" - until better tests can be done.

well yea, but obliguhl's post ignored the fact that burnt showed jungle to be mostly dmt. There is still yuramemine and that other beta-carboline type alkaloid in there, i think. So, these other things, despite their small % composition could reasonably be assumed to affect the qulaities of the experience.

Shpongle, the first post was a garbled mess, for you to expect people to read into it and tease it apart to parse out your meanings is a little ridiculous, but that's just my opinion. Glad you had success with your extraction from old bark.

well yea, but obliguhl's post ignored the fact that burnt showed jungle to be mostly dmt. There is still yuramemine and that other beta-carboline type alkaloid in there, i think. So, these other things, despite their small % composition could reasonably be assumed to affect the qulaities of the experience.

Ah, nothing beats good old nonsensical posts. It gives the rest a balance frm too much rational thinking. I propose we make another subsection called the Nuttery, where we can move and propagate posts like this.

anyone up for this?

well yea, but obliguhl's post ignored the fact that burnt showed jungle to be mostly dmt. There is still yuramemine and that other beta-carboline type alkaloid in there, i think. So, these other things, despite their small % composition could reasonably be assumed to affect the qulaities of the experience.

Hmm... way back years ago this swim was the original founder of the (as phlux has coined it the "earwax" alkaloid present in MHRb) . It is CRUCIAL that this material is not confused with the red jungle spice that is pulled via tolulene and or xylene. This material has only been pulled (to the best of my knowledge) by the use of Di-ethyl Ether and Heptane in combo. (swim has never tried them singularly.)

During the first few days after pulling this substance it carries only a heavy body load with NO mental effects whatsoever. However upon aging for several weeks it becomes a powerful mind blowing tryptamine, VERY VERY diffrent in nature to spice or the red jungle spice pulled by xyl or tol.

Swim has been carrying this banner for years trying to draw the line and show that this is a very distinct and different material. He discovered this by using an original tek involving ph extremes and a binary solvent system of Di-ethyl ether and heptane 8-1. This material has never recieved the attention that it so blatently deserves.

Those who explore , would really love to try this. However the nay-sayers out there are always ready to say that "it's mostly dmt, with maybe traces of a beta carboline or something of this nature" . THIS IS NOT TRUE. This material has successfully been extracted by swim dozens of times ... and every time it was completely (within reason and trace amounts) washed free of DMT - Via its insolubility in naptha.

Swim would love to have a sample of this stuff checked out... but doesn't expect to find out what it exactly is for years to come. Its very possible that this material could be partially synthetic , being formed by one of the already present beta carbolines or whatever picking up a group of something during the extraction.. and upon aging ... it could possibly be shedding a group or even picking up another . Perhaps it does pick up something during extraction .. which forms a non-psychoactive substance, and perhaps it sheds it in a diffrent way to form something new, or perhaps the group it picked up acts as a bridge, allowing other molecules present in the air to grab onto it over time.

This is all just speculation ofcourse, but the fact remains this stuff is in there. Swim just saw this as another chance to champion the sacred substance which he has NEVER been able to convince anyone else to give a try pulling. It would def be worth pulling for some real tests. Fuck its worth pulling to smoke ! Somebody , please, someday give this a try and spread the word. I'm tired of fighting this fight alone. YOu will not be dissapointed!

Look at the pics of the first successful pull of this stuff. These pics were taken 27 days after the original pull* (10 + washes with HOT naptha to remove all traces of DMT), at which time they were fully psychadelic, maintained a constant weight and color. Beautiful crystal formations can be seen if you can get this pic in good resolution. Pay no attention to the file name, this was a long time ago when there wasn't any info out there on this subject.

http://i148.photobucket....ineoryuremamine003-1.jpg

Peace!

No no yuremamine present in the final product (it is deemed to quickly decompose during A/B or STB steps), as for the beta carboline yes, this could make the difference.

Huh, Amor, I hadn't given any thought as to the effects of manual re-x on the composition of the final product. That's kind of interesting to think about. Do you think it could have significant effects? I never thought about friction, just that it was exposing more moisture to the air and thus drying better.

It seems that SWIM neglected the summary of burnt's work, and what you say is the case. However, SWIM wonders at the results of limonene extraction, since burnt only compared methanol extracted spice to toluene extracted spice. SWIM also wonders whether the methods of acidification and basification make a difference.