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alt 14
#1 Posted : 5/29/2008 3:34:55 AM
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Are fucking stupid. Don't mean to hate, but let me show you why they are not useful AT ALL.




Ok, lets start at the first point - efficiency. Hydrogen and oxygen gas are produced through the electrolysis of water. This separates the raw elements from the water and requires energy. Now wait, most of you would assume this, no? The energy produced from burning the oxyhydrogen gas produced from electrolysis is LESS than the energy used. Did you get that? If I made a fuel cell powered by a car battery and used the gas produced by that battery I would waste more energy than just running the car on the battery.

Second point that is normally overlooked. I have heard time and time again that "This 'new' hydrogen fuel cell technology will reduce or eliminate our dependence on fossil fuels."... WHAT? Look past the fact that hydrogen is more wasteful than using electric alone. We still need to get the energy for the electrolysis cell... Where's that going to come from? Sure, nuclear power is helpful, but we can't rely only on that. You know what will happen? We will be burning coal and oil to power this new, wasteful, expensive shit. Which leads me into my third point...

Helping the environment. It is true that burning hydrogen and oxygen produces only h2o as a byproduct. This is amazing but not useful. As I said before, we will continue to burn fossil fuels to power the electrolysis cells. Now say you get the electricity from solar or nuclear power. Why waste the extra electricity? Why not just run your car on that?




So what do I suggest we do? I'm a libertarian and believe that it is not the governments responsibility to solve this problem, but I also believe that global warming as rising fuel costs are very real problems. You should ALL watch the documentary who killed the electric car http://en.wikipedia.org/...lled_the_Electric_Car%3F
To be honest, I'm not 100% sure what the best choice is but it is MOST CERTAINLY not hydrogen technology. Thanks, live green, live safe.
 

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benzyme
#2 Posted : 5/29/2008 4:44:18 AM

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samarium diiodide type molecules reduce water to hydrogen, too bad it's a rare-earth derivative.

the japanese already have hydrogen fuel cell stations for cars. go figure. they pretty much dominate the electronic sector.
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alt 14
#3 Posted : 5/29/2008 10:19:17 PM
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I was not aware of this compound. Looks pretty interesting. I always hear people touting electrolysis, hence the flame.
 
benzyme
#4 Posted : 5/30/2008 5:02:04 AM

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yep

practical cold fusion is just around the corner

http://freeenergynews.com is an interesting site I've been following before this trendy green alarmist agenda began flooding mainstream media
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Clyde Frog
#5 Posted : 5/30/2008 7:22:42 AM
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Doesn't matter, we'll all just be using nuclear power soon.
Treacherous this deceit to make no choice matter
To have and yet lose yourself, until finally all reasons why are forgotten
To live through ones own shadow, mute and blinded, is to really see
Eclipse the golden mirror and the reflection is set free
 
benzyme
#6 Posted : 5/30/2008 2:36:28 PM

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Clyde Frog wrote:
Doesn't matter, we'll all just be using nuclear power soon.


that's why I said cold fusion is just around the corner
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Clyde Frog
#7 Posted : 5/31/2008 3:03:58 AM
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benzyme wrote:
Clyde Frog wrote:
Doesn't matter, we'll all just be using nuclear power soon.


that's why I said cold fusion is just around the corner


I'd really like to believe that
Treacherous this deceit to make no choice matter
To have and yet lose yourself, until finally all reasons why are forgotten
To live through ones own shadow, mute and blinded, is to really see
Eclipse the golden mirror and the reflection is set free
 
benzyme
#8 Posted : 5/31/2008 4:49:32 AM

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magnetism has always been a fav of mine.
it would be bitchin' to have a working howard johnson generator. damn laws of thermodynamics
in reality, energy is not free in any sense
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