I have not used DMT yet...only one time and it didn't work.
but i'd like to know Is What you see on DMT all alike to DMT gallery?
i mean is there even a real world like human world on DMT?
Or is What you see always like distorted art environment?

I guess you'd have to ask each artist, but there is some imagery in the gallery that resonates with me as things I've also experienced, some not.

I have seen very detailed things in completely alien environments, deep, forgotten memories, and dreamlike narrative experiences all completely removed from consensus reality, but I think the important thing to remember is that whatever we experience has to be translated into something we can process with our human capabilities. This isn't a basic 'blink and you'll miss it' hallucination where you mistake a shadow for your cat, it's an entire experience that we then have to simplify into the reductionist version we can take 'home' with us.

At 'sub breakthrough' levels, including the 'landing' from breakthrough levels, consensus reality phases back in and there is a sense of a hidden world 'on top' of it.

I think everyone's experience, and their description of that experience, will differ, though!

I am also helping those people who don't want drugs at all.they may use what we answer to these questions and find them helpful .

this might help or someone here might find this interesting

https://www.youtube.com/...channel=DMTEnlightenment

i resemble with the part where the gemoetry comes, it goes in very far, when i was tripping it was like an infinite universe, so far that moon and sun are close compared to how big and vast that place is...

I understand this kind of imagery, but what i am looking for is real human world.
why every one talking like there is so much real world in DMT but on the other hand there is just fractals and some kind of demons.

When two experienced travelers try to describe what they have seen to each other the vocabulary often falls short. Trying to understand a description of DMT when you've not experienced it is pretty much a futile endeavour

i have experienced NDE and used some weak hallucinogens...
I know the feeling that makes us think there is so much we didn't know and now we are aware of something very real and new to the whole world no one has ever known.and you feel regretful of your past because we think thats life changing and we should know it sooner and interestingly no word is there to say what we just saw and felt and we don't know how to communicate about that with others.(maybe thats just override of our mind that feels like we cant talk or maybe thats an underlying delusion.
remember all these are just feelings no matter how much you feel,logic and reality is about reasons and accessible data not what we just thought or felt.
and i said that because feeling isn't what i am looking for in my life and its not my most important goal.
being that said,i don't see anything interesting in any video simulation of DMT,Mushroom or LSD.frankly its even disgusting to me!(forgive me if you feel offended)
but i don't deny there is a lot to know on them,or maybe thats just hallucination not something to consider and waste our mind on that.
the only thing that was interesting to me was the theory of afterlife On Dmt and eternity which if that be the real case we all are involved and i hope not!thats scary to think there is no merciful GOD and no paradise like what religions say.it feels we all are doomed.so i hope thats only our hallucination no matter how much we feel real on psychedelics.

Yes. And the visual aspect is only just one part of it. It is what many people focus on, but that's probably only because it is even easier to describe, than the mental aspect.

yes thats one of theories i think about.that can be true probably.i hope you enjoy in your Lovely DMT world and i stay in my world.

I like your words although I disagree strongly on a number of points here. Unless you have experienced something for yourself there is not really any advantage in us debating it.

I do sense a subtle hostility towards DMT use from you. I wonder if that is a product of uncertainty about your statement that reality is all about reason and accessible data. Having that potentially shattered would be difficult to intergrate. So yes it might be the best plan to stay away from certain substances, especially DMT. Your reality is yours to believe however you choose. If it is working for you, dont change it.

Brilliant. For me, wrestling with this concept has been so profound. I have heard this said many times over many years, but didn't actually understand it until this year. Understanding that who I 'am' is quite literally my own construct felt like the first time I rode a bike.

There's some balance to be had here if we're going to concede to the probability of other minds existing in the same milieu. Hence why we research different topics. Reality is likely not all "relative" but a mix of objectivity, relativity, and subjectivity, on various layers of "existence."

And shouldn't beliefs be steeped more in "truth" rather than convenience, ie, shouldn't we be aiming to believe what is "true?"

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I think belief is actually the opposite. I would classify truth as knowledge.

Belief is something I dont need any proof for. Truth I will find with the scientific method. Belief comes from somewhere untouchable.

Eh... I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on this.



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I think a certain level of convenience can be an indication of truth. If you look at navigating your way through life as basically a continuous series of experiments, then failure or succes is to some extent an indication of your hypotheses being correct or incorrect.

I'm not saying rich people know the truth here though

But i mean, the word "truth" is a human concept. It is a word, born, like all words and concepts, from human experience. And human experience is most likely rooted in how the brain works.
And it appears that our brains are constructing our reality, by constantly making predictions on the basis of incoming information, and then checking these predictions for errors.

So this is probably, on a very basic level, what "truth" means to us: seeing our hypotheses about the nature reality being confirmed by experience.

It's probably way more complicated than that, but i think that this is probably where our concept of truth is founded in.

This is kind of what I was hinting at.



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why does there need to be a god? the places i have "visited" using DMT as my vessel need no gods.
in this world we are so used to having a single point of humanity dictate our world to us that we expect to see it in "heaven", but to me a true heaven is not dictated by a god, it is a complete freedom of the soul, which is definitely portrayed in my experiences. if the place i have been is heaven then i welcome it with open arms.

we also should not ignore that maybe peoples presumptions about heaven are wrong, maybe it is not a place of gods and representations of material things (paradise?), maybe it is a place where pure data flies around and intermingles (certainly adds up that it would be where all life is created), or maybe it is the experience of our energies floating around the vastness of the physical world, but with no physical sensors such as eyes, ears etc to decipher the information we are left with basic interactions with other energies, which are portrayed in such an alien manner to us because we only have a world of photons, matter and sound waves to compare it to. e.g. imagine if we had another organ that could detect radiation, what would that sense feel like? probably quite alien to sight or sound etc.

or maybe the god/s is/are there and we just do not experience them, or forget we experienced them. i have never experienced interactions with gods but i have read about people who claim they have (or entities claiming to be gods), so maybe they really are there, but we only access them when they are absolutely needed, or our physical minds cannot comprehend them so we "forget".

as for the paradise, that is completely relative, but i think most people think of paradise to contain material things that make up the paradise, even if it is just mountains and oceans, they are material things when compared to the DMT world. for me, when you remove the physical world (all material things), what is left is nothing. compared to that, the DMT world is an absolute heaven.

just some thoughts, but who knows!?

Interesting read, thank you. It is probably semantics as often is the case. Belief is an emotional feeling for me and I dont need proof to believe something. I've actually written the first half of a novel that kind of deals with my view on this. One day I'll finish it.

Sure, I can believe something that is proven scientifically. Or I can say I know it. Belief is faith to me. Semantics.

This is exactly my position as well.

I also find it easier to change my beliefs about something. With things i think i know, i would realy need some hard evidence to convince me i was wrong about them. Something that can shed a different light on the facts that led me to conclude that X was true.

With beliefs, it is easier. At some point it may no longer feel right for me, to believe in something, and then the belief sort of vanishes in thin air.

I don't take my own beliefs very seriously either. When i buy someone a present because i believe that he or she may realy like it, i am less likely to spent a shitload of money on it, than if i actually know it for sure for instance.

I gotcha. And yeah, I find semantics important. That's how we find common ground towards understanding.

But now I have another one for you



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