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MooshyPeaches
#1 Posted : 2/11/2010 8:05:45 PM

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If you're not familiar with string theory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMG7LA4Rsq8&NR=1

Basically it is saying on the small molecular level, we have our atoms that are made out of neutrons/protons (in the nucleus) and surrounded by their electromagnetic field (electrons)

However, even smaller than these neutrons/protons are quarks and neutrino's.

String theory suggests that these quarks and neutrino's are formed (thus everything is formed) through small string like vibrations of energy, which depending on the frequency of the vibration, creates a state that corresponds to one of our defined particles.

I came across the thought that knowing DMT is so loved by our bodies and is immediately broken down (unless maoi is used) it is almost like we crave it as our pineal gland is completely permeable to the transport of DMT and is readily digested throughout the body or accepted into cells through receptors.
Yet we do not know the purpose of this molecule in the human body/nature's kingdom.

I believe we do not know the purpose of it since we only analyze the molecule itself. In the most micro parts of the molecule, DMT is created by a certain frequency of energy. I think that it is not too far fetched to say that when we consume DMT into our bodies, this frequency of energy akin to a signal creates a door for our consciousness/soul/spirit to tune into...that allows YOU to leave to this strange familiar reality and once the signal in our body breaks down, we come back to our biological vessel of a body; almost like leaving your car while you go shopping. I believe this tiny tiny tiny powerful, vibrating, string frequency that composes the molecule DMT, combined with the receptors within us that love receiving this molecule cannot be a mistake by nature.

What reminded me of all of this is that feeling right after exhaling the first puff of DMT. The feeling of, oh everything is somehow a bit different now. The feeling of every cell in your body starting to humm and you feel a vibration in every inch of you and your ear drums vibrate with certain noise. The feeling that for the first time you notice that YOU are looking out through the eyes of this strange physical creature that 'carries' you through life. And as the string frequency of DMT continues in intensity throughout the body, there comes the part where you feel the very vibration of your soul/spirit/consciousness tunes into what DMT is created out of and you separate from your body... no, separate from our space-time dimension and enter into whatever this wonderful, horrifying, happy, neutral land of hyperspace that is composed of entities communicating with you as you tune into them.

/just a thought

Ps-> I would love to see the period of time where we have the technology to measure/analyze these frequencies that compose neutrons/protons and the information that would be gained from that
 

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#2 Posted : 2/11/2010 10:04:44 PM

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MooshyPeaches wrote:
it is almost like we crave it as our pineal gland is completely permeable to the transport of DMT and is readily digested throughout the body or accepted into cells through receptors.



what??

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#3 Posted : 3/1/2010 4:42:50 AM

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MooshyPeaches wrote:
If you're not familiar with string theory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMG7LA4Rsq8&NR=1

Basically it is saying on the small molecular level, we have our atoms that are made out of neutrons/protons (in the nucleus) and surrounded by their electromagnetic field (electrons)

However, even smaller than these neutrons/protons are quarks and neutrino's.

String theory suggests that these quarks and neutrino's are formed (thus everything is formed) through small string like vibrations of energy, which depending on the frequency of the vibration, creates a state that corresponds to one of our defined particles.

I came across the thought that knowing DMT is so loved by our bodies and is immediately broken down (unless maoi is used) it is almost like we crave it as our pineal gland is completely permeable to the transport of DMT and is readily digested throughout the body or accepted into cells through receptors.
Yet we do not know the purpose of this molecule in the human body/nature's kingdom.

I believe we do not know the purpose of it since we only analyze the molecule itself. In the most micro parts of the molecule, DMT is created by a certain frequency of energy. I think that it is not too far fetched to say that when we consume DMT into our bodies, this frequency of energy akin to a signal creates a door for our consciousness/soul/spirit to tune into...that allows YOU to leave to this strange familiar reality and once the signal in our body breaks down, we come back to our biological vessel of a body; almost like leaving your car while you go shopping. I believe this tiny tiny tiny powerful, vibrating, string frequency that composes the molecule DMT, combined with the receptors within us that love receiving this molecule cannot be a mistake by nature.

What reminded me of all of this is that feeling right after exhaling the first puff of DMT. The feeling of, oh everything is somehow a bit different now. The feeling of every cell in your body starting to humm and you feel a vibration in every inch of you and your ear drums vibrate with certain noise. The feeling that for the first time you notice that YOU are looking out through the eyes of this strange physical creature that 'carries' you through life. And as the string frequency of DMT continues in intensity throughout the body, there comes the part where you feel the very vibration of your soul/spirit/consciousness tunes into what DMT is created out of and you separate from your body... no, separate from our space-time dimension and enter into whatever this wonderful, horrifying, happy, neutral land of hyperspace that is composed of entities communicating with you as you tune into them.

/just a thought

Ps-> I would love to see the period of time where we have the technology to measure/analyze these frequencies that compose neutrons/protons and the information that would be gained from that

im glad you brought this up. i was thinking just the other day about dmt, the beings i see (i think) are made of pure energy, then i got to thinking, is there pure energy beings all around me, in parrallel dimmensions, and that dmt just takes off their invisibility cloak. if there is pure energy beings, what about'god'? is god made of pure energy?

the energy i come in contact with on dmt is powerful enough to influence sober life, and it does, even to people that have no clue what dmt is they just dont realize the currents of energy all around them. could god be a manifestation of energy? like the way a mushroom comes out of the mycelium. sorry if i ramble..
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#4 Posted : 3/5/2010 9:44:52 PM

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haven't been around much to join in these discussions but I have a number of comments:

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Basically it is saying on the small molecular level, we have our atoms that are made out of neutrons/protons (in the nucleus) and surrounded by their electromagnetic field (electrons)


electromagnetic energy is photons. they interact with electrons to make electromagnetic fields. but you don't need neutrons or protons to make electromagnetic fields.

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I came across the thought that knowing DMT is so loved by our bodies and is immediately broken down (unless MAOI is used) it is almost like we crave it as our pineal gland is completely permeable to the transport of DMT and is readily digested throughout the body or accepted into cells through receptors.
Yet we do not know the purpose of this molecule in the human body/nature's kingdom.


Our bodies don't "love" dmt. Our body just metabolizes it easy because it HAS too. Your body can't just let DMT float around and not break it down otherwise your brain couldn't function. MAOI's break down lots of similar neurotransmitters. There are other clean up the synapse processes going on in the brain as well its not all just MAOI. DMT is most likely a neurotransmitter in the human brain. Based on evidence thats the current idea about it. DMT is structurally related to many of our other neurotransmitters so its not a surprise at all really. Also because its a neurotransmitter doesn't downplay the fact that at higher doses its a powerful hallucinogen.

DMT exists in nature because it can exist in nature and because its easy to make. Many plants contain enzymes that can put methyl groups on amines. DMT might serve as a defense compound in some plant species. It might be an intermediate in other metabolism in the plant. There are many much simpler and more logical reasons why DMT is in nature.

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I believe we do not know the purpose of it since we only analyze the molecule itself.


To know the purpose you need to know how and what the molecule interacts with in the body or plant. Its that simple. Its only now being researched in humans (and VERY limited research is going on) and in plants no one really cares enough to research why its there because its basically not an interesting compound from that perspective. No chemist really cares about it in that way its not new its simple its easily made etc.

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In the most micro parts of the molecule, DMT is created by a certain frequency of energy. I think that it is not too far fetched to say that when we consume DMT into our bodies, this frequency of energy akin to a signal creates a door for our consciousness/soul/spirit to tune into...that allows YOU to leave to this strange familiar reality and once the signal in our body breaks down, we come back to our biological vessel of a body; almost like leaving your car while you go shopping. I believe this tiny tiny tiny powerful, vibrating, string frequency that composes the molecule DMT, combined with the receptors within us that love receiving this molecule cannot be a mistake by nature.


This statement makes no sense. DMT alters our perceptions and probably exists in the body because its involved in sensory perception. All psychedelics work by altering out perception machinery.

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What reminded me of all of this is that feeling right after exhaling the first puff of DMT. The feeling of, oh everything is somehow a bit different now. The feeling of every cell in your body starting to humm and you feel a vibration in every inch of you and your ear drums vibrate with certain noise. The feeling that for the first time you notice that YOU are looking out through the eyes of this strange physical creature that 'carries' you through life. And as the string frequency of DMT continues in intensity throughout the body, there comes the part where you feel the very vibration of your soul/spirit/consciousness tunes into what DMT is created out of and you separate from your body... no, separate from our space-time dimension and enter into whatever this wonderful, horrifying, happy, neutral land of hyperspace that is composed of entities communicating with you as you tune into them.


Many people report experiences of feeling energies and making contact with energetic beings on dmt. That doesn't mean any of its "real". This can simply be explained by one statement "dmt at high doses administered exogenously alters perceptions". It really is that simple. All of its psychological effects are explained by this. However how it works mechanistically is another harder to figure out story.

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Ps-> I would love to see the period of time where we have the technology to measure/analyze these frequencies that compose neutrons/protons and the information that would be gained from that


We have the technology to measure what protons and neutrons are made of. They are made of quarks and gluons (maybe a few other particles not sure). What those are made of (if anything) no one knows.

You need to remember that there is ZERO experimental evidence that string theory is real. It will never be accepted unless all other possible theories are calculated and falsified (even some string theorists admit that). Unless of course someone could experimentally create energies high enough to measure something that small which is basically impossible without building particle accelorators the size of the solar system (or something on that scale).
 
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#5 Posted : 3/6/2010 7:17:37 AM

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Haha I completely forgot about this thread, I was definitely a lil intoxicated while creating it.


Burnt....
-Never stated you NEED neutron/proton to create a EMF, not sure why your correcting that.
-Brain couldn't function? Well of course its going to break down a permeable molecule that's floating around.. I was just stating that the pineal gland readily accepts it. Also we have no idea what its purpose is. All we know is that the enzyme tryptamine-N-methyltransferase possibly creates it during normal metabolism throughout the body not just the brain.
-Your saying a couple times that it is: "Really just that simple" You should write a paper because you seem to possess concrete knowledge noone else has.
-You say we have the technology to measure what protons and neutrons are? Although those are scientific definitions of a unexplainable 'material' that does not technically exist, we use those terms to help us comprehend certain levels of perception. You cannot just break something down to quarks and gluons and say thats what it is composed of. Those quarks are composed of more, which are composed of something even more minuscule, etc, etc, etc, infinite.
- Your telling me I need to remember there is zero experimental evidence on the string theory. Thats why I left the theory part in there.

Basically what I was getting at: If all matter is created of atoms, which in turn are basically composed of their protons/neutrons/surrounding electrons; which are quarks/neutrinos/etc, and from there on is theorized to be strings of vibrational energy, and past that the concept of such a tiny measurement, it loses the meaning of time and 3rd dimensional space itself, and past that etc etc etc. Therefore all 'matter' is composed of such undefinable origins nothing can possibly be solid. If you were to blow up a atom to basketball size, its electrons would be miles away... than there must be more space separating matter than there is matter itself. Also science states that matter is insentient... yet our bodies are composed of 100% of it and im pretty sure I am aware and conscious, and am a force that resides within this biological vessel. I am also aware that my biological mind creates this reality by taking a mess of vibrational; pure informational energy, and creating this reality which seems to have separate objects and scientific meaning... All of which we classify into a defined sound that comes out of our mouth; symbolized by thoughts. Your mind lets you see on a certain reality plane relevant to its survival... on a 'zoomed out' scale. Like when you look at a person you see a face altogether, not millions of cells coordinating together, yet you are aware of that. That if you were to place your thumb and index a inch away, in that space, you could travel to the center source for infinite, way past atoms and their compounds; although on our level somehow they still build up to what we observe them as. Hell you could zoom out past our galaxy for infinite to a point where there would only be a 2 dimensional space, and time would lose its definition From our viewpoint we could go either way, but for us to see what we are made of we must try to measure existence itself at its 'originating level.' Use more advanced technology? Or find the answer from within?

I was merely stating that is it not interesting that if all matter is fundamentally originating out of (define as you will, ill say): pure energy, and we contain a frequency within us that allows us to experience a reality that is constantly connected to us yet so distanced, and we can define this frequency at our 'zoomed out' perception as a molecule named DMT... which has the capability to tune us into another level or channel of 'life' we physically do not experience daily, is that not fucking amazing!?

Than again this is all my perspective. If someone wants to say that its just flooding your brain with another drug thats putting you into a delusional state, than go ahead.. but I must say deep down I feel sorry for you.

well not really

Even Separate particles seem to be somewhat aware. Our observation itself affects everything.
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#6 Posted : 3/6/2010 10:46:57 AM

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People have already summarized years of work on psychedelic drugs and what receptors they act on and what parts of the brain they act on. But people who don't accept materialistic ideas about the brain and consciousness don't read or care what those papers say.

Modern physics sais the smallest constituents of matter are particles. Some of these particles are massless (like photons). Some particles are associated with the fundamental forces. Pieces of the puzzle are still missing. I think its premature and incorrect to speculate that DMT has anything to do with things at this level.

DMT is a drug its not a magic chemical. I don't get why people can't accept that fact.


Anyway theres no need to dig this deep into this issue now. I won't have time to continue the discussion in depth. We've discussed these topics quite extensively here before.
 
 
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