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downwardsfromzero wrote:Excessively long contact with base could in principle lead to increased polymerisation of the DMT leading to a more deeply coloured, gooey product. The goo is also less soluble in naphtha, requiring more heating and maybe a heavier, less volatile naphtha should be used as a result.
If base soup has been standing for a fair while it may be worth pulling with another solvent such as toluene, xylene or limonene and recovering the product with an acidic back-extraction of some kind. A further alternative would be re-acidifying the soup in order to break down much of the alkaloid polymerisation and re-basifying as a sort of reset method for the extraction. I was waiting for you  At one point, I left a couple jars with 100g or bark in each sit in a base solution for a little over two months. I was able to get pure white DMT upon extracting, but it should be noted that I reheated the jars with the soup and used hot solvent which may have helped with decreased polymerization. So listen to DF0  One love What if the "truth" is: the "truth" is indescernible/unknowable/nonexistent? Then the closest we get is through being true to and with ourselves. Know thyself, nothing in excess, certainty brings insanity- Delphic Maxims DMT always has something new to show you Question everything... including questioning everything... There's so much I could be wrong about and have no idea... All posts and supposed experiences are from an imaginary interdimensional being. This being has the proclivity and compulsion for delving in depths it shouldn't. Posts should be taken with a grain of salt. 👽
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downwardsfromzero wrote:Excessively long contact with base could in principle lead to increased polymerisation of the DMT leading to a more deeply coloured, gooey product. The goo is also less soluble in naphtha, requiring more heating and maybe a heavier, less volatile naphtha should be used as a result.
If base soup has been standing for a fair while it may be worth pulling with another solvent such as toluene, xylene or limonene and recovering the product with an acidic back-extraction of some kind. A further alternative would be re-acidifying the soup in order to break down much of the alkaloid polymerisation and re-basifying as a sort of reset method for the extraction. Thanks for the exhausting response! I've actually not heated the naphta at all, but i guess the case you're mentioning is if the solution has been standing for a few weeks, not just 5-6 days
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Sandman013 wrote:downwardsfromzero wrote:Excessively long contact with base could in principle lead to increased polymerisation of the DMT leading to a more deeply coloured, gooey product. The goo is also less soluble in naphtha, requiring more heating and maybe a heavier, less volatile naphtha should be used as a result.
If base soup has been standing for a fair while it may be worth pulling with another solvent such as toluene, xylene or limonene and recovering the product with an acidic back-extraction of some kind. A further alternative would be re-acidifying the soup in order to break down much of the alkaloid polymerisation and re-basifying as a sort of reset method for the extraction. Thanks for the exhausting response! I've actually not heated the naphta at all, but i guess the case you're mentioning is if the solution has been standing for a few weeks, not just 5-6 days Always heat your solvent (boil water, with the solvent away from the open and active heat source. Bring to a slight boil. TURN OFF THE HEAT SOURCE. Place the COVERED vessel of solvent in the water bath for about a minute. Pour into your extraction vessel and continue the process.)  One love What if the "truth" is: the "truth" is indescernible/unknowable/nonexistent? Then the closest we get is through being true to and with ourselves. Know thyself, nothing in excess, certainty brings insanity- Delphic Maxims DMT always has something new to show you Question everything... including questioning everything... There's so much I could be wrong about and have no idea... All posts and supposed experiences are from an imaginary interdimensional being. This being has the proclivity and compulsion for delving in depths it shouldn't. Posts should be taken with a grain of salt. 👽
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I guess this must be done in order to extract more Product... I didn't do it because some said it wasn't necessary
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Sandman013 wrote:I guess this must be done in order to extract more Product... I didn't do it because some said it wasn't necessary I personally get way bigger yields when EVERYTHING is heated. I find it takes less pulls as well. Perhaps DF0 will be so kind as to give us the chemistry reason as to why. One love What if the "truth" is: the "truth" is indescernible/unknowable/nonexistent? Then the closest we get is through being true to and with ourselves. Know thyself, nothing in excess, certainty brings insanity- Delphic Maxims DMT always has something new to show you Question everything... including questioning everything... There's so much I could be wrong about and have no idea... All posts and supposed experiences are from an imaginary interdimensional being. This being has the proclivity and compulsion for delving in depths it shouldn't. Posts should be taken with a grain of salt. 👽
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Voidmatrix wrote:Sandman013 wrote:I guess this must be done in order to extract more Product... I didn't do it because some said it wasn't necessary I personally get way bigger yields when EVERYTHING is heated. I find it takes less pulls as well. Perhaps DF0 will be so kind as to give us the chemistry reason as to why. One love Naphtha is a fairly poor solvent for DMT - that's how it's so good for freeze precipitation. The flip side of this is that at higher temperatures the solubility increases in this particular case. The reasons why are probably beyond the scope of this thread. Polymerised DMT is even less soluble in naphtha but it will dissolve in boiling heptane (98°C) and can be seen precipitating as an orange oil as the heptane cools. And this polymerisation can occur fairly rapidly under conditions of high pH and high ionic strength (more loosely put lots of dissolved salts, including the lye). Thus 5 or 6 days will be more than sufficient for some significant polymerisation to occur. For a more exhaustive (and possibly exhausting  ) look into these matters have a read of the Minimum polymer thread “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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