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Elpo
#1 Posted : 2/8/2010 7:53:35 PM

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Hi everyone,

My mushrooms are growing big and strong, at least some of them. I wanted to know a good way to be sure when to pick them? Is it ok to just pick the biggest ones first, cause i have seen that the bottom side of the cap has ripped, and thought that was a good indication. But this only happened to the two biggest ones. So would it be ok to pick those two and let the little brothers grow a little more for another couple of days?

It concerns a Psilocybe Cubensis grow kit i got in Holland. First time I ever tried it... so am very excited.

Is it ok to dry them in a tupperware box, or just out in the open air?


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#2 Posted : 2/8/2010 8:43:53 PM

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Sure, just pick them whenever it feels right. However it may be a hassle to dry them if you pick the mushrooms it different times. My advice is to wait, it dosen't affect the potency in any way if you let them grow after they ripped, just esthetics...

Let them dry in open air on some newspaper, they would most certainly rot in a tupperware box. Wink
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#3 Posted : 2/8/2010 9:29:13 PM

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OwlMan wrote:

Let them dry in open air on some newspaper, they would most certainly rot in a tupperware box. Wink



Does the room they dry in have to be warm?

Thanks for answering my question so quickly.

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#4 Posted : 2/8/2010 10:24:39 PM

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No, normal room temperature is fine. Humidity is essential here however, make sure that it's below 50%, otherwise they wont dry properly.

And keep the mushrooms separated...

When they are bone dry, after 24-48 hours, keep them in an airtight container.

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Do you have a room heater? If so, put tthem there. Cracker dry in 12-24 hours, even the bigger ones.
 
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#6 Posted : 2/9/2010 7:50:10 AM

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obliguhl wrote:
Do you have a room heater? If so, put tthem there. Cracker dry in 12-24 hours, even the bigger ones.


U mean kinda like this one: heater

I thought putting them on those would make them lose potency?
Let me know if that is what you mean?

Thanks


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#7 Posted : 2/9/2010 8:27:15 AM

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Sure, just pick them whenever it feels right.My advice is to wait, it dosen't affect the potency in any way if you let them grow after they ripped, just esthetics...

No offense OwlMan, but this is not correct. As soon as the veil breaks, the mushrooms begin sporulating. Sporulation is the beginning of their death, and at the moment of sporeulation is when mushrooms begin to lose potency. The ideal time to pick them is just before the veil breaks, or as soon as you see the first signs of the veil breaking. They are also much prettier, and easier to manage and handle at this point. It doesn't matter if they are big or little, it's all about when the veil breaks, so you may be picking only a couple at a time, waiting, pick a couple more, etc.

Make sure you DO let a couple good healthy ones open up however, so you can collect some quality spore prints.

I'll see if I can find a citation to support my comments above about the potency, but it is fact.

You can set up a dry chamber using desiccant (DryRite), a drying rack of some sort above the desiccant layer, put this all inside a large, air tight garbage bag, and add your fungi as they ready. Air dry them first, before putting them in the dry chamber, so that you get most of the water out of them. A gentle heater is OK, but it cannot get very warm. I wouldn't go over 125 degrees F if you're using heat. SWIM never uses heat, but he's super anal retentive like that. Wink

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#8 Posted : 2/9/2010 10:46:29 AM

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idtravlr wrote:


You can set up a dry chamber using desiccant (DryRite), a drying rack of some sort above the desiccant layer, put this all inside a large, air tight garbage bag, and add your fungi as they ready. Air dry them first, before putting them in the dry chamber, so that you get most of the water out of them. A gentle heater is OK, but it cannot get very warm. I wouldn't go over 125 degrees F if you're using heat. SWIM never uses heat, but he's super anal retentive like that. Wink

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I have read about the desiccants, but i have no idea where to get that? I have seen some pictures where they use a kind of bowl with different layers as to let the water fall to the bottom. But i have no idea what this Dry Rite looks like or where i can find it? (Nevermind, i looked up what it is and found it, just don't think ill get them over here in time...)

English is not my native languae...

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#9 Posted : 2/9/2010 2:22:52 PM

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Any Home improvement store has Damprid. It is used to pull moisture out of clothes. Kitty litter works. There are lots of dessicants. Just ask ask someone at the store for a dessicant and tell them you are putting it in your closet to pull out some moisture.
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#10 Posted : 2/9/2010 6:50:52 PM

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idtravlr wrote:
OwlMan wrote:
Sure, just pick them whenever it feels right.My advice is to wait, it dosen't affect the potency in any way if you let them grow after they ripped, just esthetics...

No offense OwlMan, but this is not correct. As soon as the veil breaks, the mushrooms begin sporulating. Sporulation is the beginning of their death, and at the moment of sporeulation is when mushrooms begin to lose potency. The ideal time to pick them is just before the veil breaks, or as soon as you see the first signs of the veil breaking.

I'll see if I can find a citation to support my comments above about the potency, but it is fact.


None taken Very happy ! you are probably right, I would love to see some proof though. I have heard this fact/theory before but I'm not convinced.

And my experiences are that sporulation does not begin right after the veil breaks, it may very well take over a day or so before it start dropping the spores...
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#11 Posted : 2/9/2010 8:07:54 PM

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Yea, while he's finding citation, i'll also chime in and say, that's incorrect. Sporulation starts pretty damn quick after the veil tears and that's the ideal time to harvest. If you wait too long you WILL lose potency. That's one reason why some mushrooms will only give weird body highs and not really make you trip. You can tell by examining the cap/veil, if it looks old-ish and turned up, you should turn it down.

Additionally, if you're on the east coast, north of say, i dunno, GA/SC you should be money on air drying in room due to the low humidity. However, desicants are real cheap and can make all the difference between cracker-dry stale-cracker consistency mushrooms. Invest in the desiccant, theres no reason not to and you'll be greatful come spring/summer.
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#12 Posted : 2/10/2010 6:36:36 AM

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I know that most mushrooms start their sporulation at the time of veil break, if not a bit earlier, because on most occasions I can actually see the fallen spores on the veil just before, or just after it breaks. I still say harvesting time and drying tek are key in preserving goodness.

Here is what SWIM does for a dry chamber. After air drying the mushrooms for a couple days. Get some kind of stack-able mesh, or slotted trays. I use plastic trays from food dehydrators. Put a layer of news paper on the bottom tray, and a couple layers thick of desiccant on top of the paper, then stack your next try, with your mushrooms on it, on top of that (no paper on the mushroom tray). This keeps the mushrooms from touching the desiccant, but allows the moisture to get sucked out. If you have more trays you can just continue this processes... add another layer of desiccant, then one of mushrooms, etc. Put the whole stack of trays in a garbage bag and tie the top shut. This will keep it tight from external air, and the desiccant will only pull the moisture that's contained in the plastic bag. This also makes the room temp and humidity a non-issue for drying. Check your mushrooms and desiccant daily to see how they are doing. If the desiccant gets saturated, you will need to put fresh stuff in, or the fungi wont get any dryer. The reason I get DryRite is because it changes color when it is saturated, so there is no guess work, and you can just put it in the oven at 200F for an hour or so to get it back to full evap potential.

Enough of my rambling?

Here is an excerpt by PF before they got busted back in 2003. PF was always an extremely helpful and reputable source for growing and harvesting the Higher Fungi for scientific research. This article could be deemed as hear-say and mythical, except that this information was taken directly out of Ch. 5 of Paul Stamets book: "PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS OF THE WORLD". Which makes it very difficult to argue with the Great Master of the kingdom of Fungi. Smile

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BY PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS

Psilocybe Cubensis can produce very weak specimens. This happens with mature specimens that have begun sporulation. They have turned darker colors and the cap margins turn up beyond plain (like an inverted umbrella). These specimens are indeed weakly potent and not worth taking. The mushroom is past its prime for a psychedelic source if the cap has opened, the veil has torn away, the gills are dark brown and purple spore deposits are seen gathering on the stem.

In the literature, the potency of Psilocybe Cubensis is regarded as mediocre. But the secret to potency can be found in an analogy of Hemp. In Hemp, only certain parts of the plant at certain maturities make for potent highs. In other words, the stems and leaves are basically waste and only a certain small percentage of the plant is selected for the potent high. There is a similarity with the mushrooms and this selectivity. P.Cubensis can achieve a base line psilocybin content of 1% (similar to Psilocybe Semilanceata). But this entirely depends on what the mushroom is grown on (brown rice), its age or maturity (young), its sporulation cycle (pre-sporulation), and the way it is harvested and preserved (cool dried - if dried).

So when harvesting, pick all of the tiny primordia that stop growing (abhort) and the small mutant growths (round blobs - no heads ect). Do this as soon as it can be determined that they are not developing into normal specimens. They seem tiny, but several cakes will produce quite a pile of these little ones (several dried grams!). These are the source of the potent magic. The same goes for the young specimens. Pick them (small and large) while their caps are still round and before they begin to open (veil under the cap breaks away and the cap spreads out). The reason for harvesting them when they are young is because as the mushroom cap expands like an umbrella, the mushrooms size will increase, but by weight the potency will decrease.

By harvesting only the young and abhortive specimens, the yield will be lower, but the quality will be excellent and the potency can be similar to P. Semilanceata.

Consuming the magic fungi can be an ordeal, but it needs to be done seriously because the magic is serious. Eating the fungi is best done as a ritual. Be deliberate, controlled and methodical.

Eat the fungi at one sitting. Don't piece meal the dose. The lag time in response can defeat the peak performance of the psychedelic power.

Written into HTML and published to the internet by Psylocybe fanaticus.
May 17 1997. second edit - may 23. third edit - may 26. fourth edit - may 29


Good luck. Post us some pics of your specimens!

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#13 Posted : 2/10/2010 10:35:14 AM

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Thanks for the advice, I went to the store yesterday and got the dessicants, so i'll be trying that in a day or two.
I'll post pictures of the mushrooms as soon as i get home this evening, they do look amazing.

Peace and thanks for all the help.

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The mushroom is past its prime for a psychedelic source if the cap has opened, the veil has torn away, the gills are dark brown and purple spore deposits are seen gathering on the stem.


Is there actually any proof for that statement? To my knowledge, the actives just stop producing, but that's all.
 
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#15 Posted : 2/10/2010 8:06:10 PM

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Here are the pics...



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OMG! Lovely Elpo! Just lovely! That right there is SWIM's favorite pass-time! Nice work. Keep it up!

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Congratulations on your yeild!

If you dry them, you can grind them into shroom powder and cap them up in '00 capsules (or as big as you can find) removing the initial shock at the delicious taste can sure sweeten the trip.

Also, if you have a very easily peturbed stomach, or you just want to be prudent you could do a psilocybin extraction.

I say pick the big ones first.
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shoe wrote:
Congratulations on your yeild!

If you dry them, you can grind them into shroom powder and cap them up in '00 capsules (or as big as you can find) removing the initial shock at the delicious taste can sure sweeten the trip.



Thanks for the advice, but what is the advantage in powdering them, besides the taste? Does it last longer?
And how would you suggest grinding them?

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they wont last longer, they may hit you quicker due to already being ground up, thus more readily absorbed through the stomach. I like to chew min as the actives can be taken in through the mucosal membranes...granted, I don't take them as requently as some and thus have not built up a real adverse reactoin to the taste as of yet...

As to grinding, i'd suggest an herb/coffee grinder. I'd use whatever i use to powder my Chaliponga or Cannabis (for butter purposes). Anything that'll more or less powderize your material with minimal exposure to heat.
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