I think I found my way of taking the harmalas today 🙂

I roasted and grinded 5 grams of rue seeds and then used an espresso machine to make a "rue coffee". I was very pleased with the results. There is still some nausea, but it's very manageable. The taste is actually quite ok and you can add some sugar or maybe even cream if you please. The taste is better and you have much less liquid at your hands than if you brew the seeds into a tea in the old fashioned way.

The extraction is less efficient than when boiling the seeds, but given that the rue is quite inexpensive the ease of this method does pay off in my experience.

So, let's hear some comments if you try it out!

I heard about both brewing it in espresso machine ( I assumed raw dried seeds) and also some toasting the seeds... Never tried doing both, but am willing to try. Sounds interesting.

Roasted seeds taste much better than raw seeds. Might also be a little less nauseating. I also tried roasting and grinding the seeds before smoking them in a tobacco pipe and it was much more pleasurable than smoking the raw seeds. Adding some kind of filter to the pipe might also make the experience better as the pits in the seeds contain much fat which you don't want too much in your mouth and lungs.

I don't know what are the chemical reactions in roasting but I think it transforms the fatty acids somehow. You could also try crushing the seeds and sifting the pits to get just the skins to ingest, but I haven't been successful in this.

At what temperature and for what duration do you roast your seed? Obviously that boils off a lot of various compounds, oils, etc-- as well as turns shit into other shit, etc.. do you then notice a radical change in effects (I understand harmalas are left alone) other than a reduction in nausea?

I use a dry and hot cast iron pan and fry them for approx one minute. Use an espresso machine is ineffective way of extracting the alkaloids, but I don't think frying reduces the potentiality radically. Taste is much more pleasant and the method is convenient.

I am gonna try roasting and brewing them old fashionned in simmering water afterwards. In my experience, brewing in espresso either was ineffective way to get the harmalas. or the brew felt ineffective. Why do you brewthem in espresso machine, if uyou findit ineffective for harmalas ? Or you are after a tea of some sorts, but no RIMA activity Tomtegubbe ?

Syrian rue is cheap and brewing them with espresso machine is extremely fast, compared to simmering and filtering. You have to just adjust your dosage, but the liquid is easier to take in.

Awesome, have to try this! I suppose the central thing with this technique is that you powder your seeds.

And do I get it right that you are talking about one of these Bialetti 'espresso machines'?

Actually I have an espresso machine, but that should work too.

I haven't used this method for a while. Seems like this method is not that efficient for extracting alkaloids, so you may have to make a few cups to get the effects.

The taste is okayish with this technique which is nice.

Glad you got were interested in this!