i added the lime yesterday - it didnt seem to break it down - so i added more today - still seemed snottty - i added the dlimo 20 mins ago.
i took a teaspoon aside and mixed it with water - bad idea - got snot.

more lime was added - of a different kind/vendor and the consistancy is now not snotty at all - but i still cant get my dlimo out, any ideas other than addin a dash of very basic(sodium hydroxide) water to make the dlimo separate ?

^^Have SWIY tried adding water to see if the non polar phase becomes apparent? If so then just make water solution basic enough and pull with limonene rinse out alkaloids with appropriate acid and repeat.

yep - done that - wanted to avoid water this time round, heh maybe next time.

SWIM don't see the problem with traditional A/B for isolation. If the right solvents are used mescaline can be completely removed in 4-5 pulls. CHCl3 is an excellent solvent for phenylethylamines. Xylene and toluene are way worse compared to CHCl3. Perhaps d-limo also would work in A/B has anySWIM tried before? This would be nice as SWIM doesn't recommend anybody work with CHCl3 despite how good it is its too toxic.

However with STB SWIM could see problem with using too much water as there is that horrible mucalige. Which SWIM guess's is reason calcium hydroxide is used to break up.

Anyway curious to hear SWIY's results.

well - the snot was broken down well with the new lime, very basic(lye) water was added - most of the dlimo recovered and salted - its just a bit clumpy working with it.

Nooooooooo unfortunately ilpt spoted phlux's swim problem too late. Of course you added too much water.DON'T ADD ANY MORE WATER !!! Ilpt mentioned few times that tek asking for too much water. Wan't you ever listen to him? Ron wrote it in tricky way he said make it wet but not watery. Does homogenization telling something to you? When are the powdered flesh(very finely) and calc powder(very finely) troughoutly homogenized before adding water one can easily go away with far less water and put hell lot out of it. By reusing limo ilpt always induce more and more water into the pulled mix. He used to dessicate with epson but adding this salt generating lot of heat and increasing the volume of mixture dramaticly. Then one day he ran out of epson and based on endlesness suggestion of drying acetone with anhydrous sodium carbonate, he added solid anhydrous sodium carbonate and fuckload of limo separated from swollen mucielage. Last three months ilpt was working only with cactus this tek and washing of products recently . Good amount of cactus flesh went trough his paws and dozens of trips he experienced, you should p.m. And i would ask him if problems like this one arise.

well - all is not lost - all the dlimo was recovered with just the bother of a bit of basic water.
I spotted water as the problem while reading thur this whole massive thread.
Cant wait to see how it comes out - looks good so far.

apparently mescaline freebase is fairly soluble in water so even if you recover limo the lost of yield would be significant as much as much water was used.
ILPT modified ron`s tek to suit his needs and getting an insane yields as far as good flesh is used, he even reusing the same limo. He simply wash away traces of vinegar few times with sodium carbonate solution then with distilled water and he just simply put some dessicant(epsom) into and limo is just like new, only bit more green lol

The products are sometimes more or less oily red, but after conversion to hydrochloride filtration evaporation and acetone wash on sticky stuff he is getting consistently good product.

He is on mescaline now and he will welcome the New Year 2010 on mescaline too

Thank you all guys for great ideas !!!. That is what this forum means to ILPT is not source of tek`s but source of GREAT IDEAS full of BRIGHT PEOPLE :idea: :idea: :idea:

Thank you very much again and Happy New Year

It is true mesc freebase is soluble in water partially. But if its more soluble in the organic solvent you will remove it all just need a few extra pulls. With CHCl3 everything is removed in 4-5 pulls. Toluene and xylene seems to take up to ten pulls. With d-limonene SWIM wonders.

ILPT loves chlorinated for they everythingextracting power but it`s irritae his CNS. He hasn`t got a lab with good vapour vent not even good glasware such a separatory funnel nowadays so he is happy with limo.

He feel heavines on liver after working whole day with limo but is noty as bad as working with dcm or chcl3 or even cccl4. These just make him feel weird and they evaporating damn quickly soooo no thanx


ILPT really like this slightly wet STB limo approach and doesn`t realy feel need to try an traditional a/b with limo, maybe in future who knows

never needed the acid soak for cactus - with fresh cactus cooking fixes that and now with lime - dry cactus is broken down easily - iv done it semi wet with cooked tea from fresh cactus with dlimo with good success - i doubt the water will make any diff other than perhaps a few extra pulls.

My friend started his first run at this tek this afternoon with 100g. of either T. peruvianus or T. pachanoi his neighbor recently harvested (not certain which one because his yard was a jungle of both) it's soaking in the D-Limonene as we speak. A few questions for you guys:

1) How long do your friends typically keep the cactus in the D-Limonene?
2) My friend only has 600ml or so left of his fresh D-Limonene so he was wondering if he could do 2 pulls with the fresh stuff then a few vinegar pulls to pull the goodies then re-use the D-limonene? I don't see why not, my only concern would be the D-Limonene absorbing water (not sure if this stuff does)

raja chuna lime is crap for this extraction - the green tub stuff - just thought id mention my experience with it.

read this thread trough especially last few pages and you will find answers for your questions

I did read the thread through and those were the questions I was left with.

My friend went ahead and started the extraction with 150g. of cactus he dried earlier in the week. He just sliced into half inch stars and cut out the core but left skin and spines then tossed in food dehydrator. From 3 pulls he already has 1.685g of red resin will continue to pull until the cactus says uncle.

So far all is going as planned with no hiccups.

My friend just finished doing his MEK wash. He went in with 2097mg of the impure resin and came out with 857mg of powder. So a lose of 60% to the wash.

Here is a picture of the resin before the wash and a picture of the powder afterwards.

excellent!

any reason why you cant just keep reusing the limo with each pull?

I think when reusing limonene, it starts getting very packed full of oils and no longer remains as efficent. Then what DOES get into the solvent will be much more impure.

I did all sorts of stuff like adding 30% hcl after I'd finished salting, then giving it a good shake and discarding, then rinsing with clean water and that seems to make the limonene a little more reusable, but I don't think you get the best results unless you use fresh stuff.