From "Articulations, On the Utilisation and Meanings of Psychedelics" (2015) by Julian Palmer:
Quote:Modern day researchers, spearheaded by people such as myself, have realized that Jonathan Ott's calculations fall short of what most explorers need for a truly visionary experience. Even with a strong harmine/Banisteriopsis caapi dosage, 30-60mg of dmt is not sufficient to produce significant visionary effects in most people. So if fact, a dosage of 30-40mg of dmt is where tryptamine-like effects just begin to occur for most people, and 10-25mg dmt is not really noticeable above the gentle psychoactive effects of the harmine.
Each person is different and for some rare individuals, 30-40mg may be about as much dmt as they wish to take--but most people need at least 60-80mg for sufficient psychoactive effects and even at this dosage, you generally cannot expect a full-blown visionary experience, even when using a strong dose of 4 grams of syrian rue or 100 grams of strong caapi vine. Also, it should be pointed out that going beyond 4 grams of syrian rue (around 200-280mg of harmaline) or 100 grams of strong caapi vine (150--250mg of harmine) can increase the negative effects of these beta-carbolines--which include a feeling of heaviness, pressure in the head, inability to walk properly, more purging and perhaps more of an emphasis on bodily processes.
An oral dosage of 100mg of dmt is where the visionary qualities really begin to occur, for most people say when they are taking 3 grams of syrian rue or 80 grams of strong vine, and in context, 40-60 grams of strong vine is enough to fully mao inhibit most people.
I would say to neophyte explorers to tread carefully, and to slowly increase your dmt dosage in increments: perhaps starting at 60mg, going to 100mg, then 150mg. Some people are going to find 100mg of dmt to be exceedingly strong, and it will perhaps give them an experience they did not feel ready for.
It came to my attention after an embarrassing number of years, that taking freebase crystal DMT orally was not as potent, colourful, or clear as taking the equivalent amount of DMT in a tea that was brewed from the plant. For many years, I couldn't see how there could be a difference, but after doing some comparisons, it was obvious that the tea was much better, and the experiences resulting from the crystalline extract were inferior.
You could take twice or even three times as much DMT crystal as the equivalent in brew, and the experience from the crystal would never be as bright or full as that from the tea. Why could this be?
With extracted dmt, with chemicals used it would appear that some dimensions and qualities of the tryptamine molecules are compromised. Also, there is the factor of isolating the alkaloids from the rest of the plant. For example, there are very few people who say that extracted pure mescaline from the cactus is as potent of full bodied compared to when they take the tea made from the cactus flesh.
When making a tea from the whole plant, you are extracting the essence of the plant intelligence from its very flesh, not just isolating the alkaloids. In the alchemic method "Spagyrics" developed by Paracelsus, often considered the father of modern medicine, the ashes of the plant are commonly burnt and then blended back into an alcohol-extracted tincture. Friends who have experimented with this procedure report that a Spagyric tincture of Ayahuasca is much more potent than a normal tea prepared from the same amount of Ayahuasca vine.
Julian is so right about this, 30g of Hawaiian psychotria which may contain around an estimated 60mg of actives will always be more potent, colorful, clear, all-encompassing then the same amount or even double that amount in extracted actives. This is a mystery that may never be solved....
.....there is just something about the natural plant form of the leaf actives in the brew that allow the natural plant-based salt form to sky-rocket in strength and be assimilated via an enhanced digestion process into receiving a whopper of an experience as compared to extracted actives. Those who have been to an actual real Ayahuasca session or who have dreamed actual leaf brew with there Caapi will know this. There is an otherworldly strength and power to the experience that is just un-achievable with extracted actives as Julian Palmer writes about above.
So when you are reviewing the literature and see that there may only be an estimated 60mg of "actives" in the Vegetal Church brews...keep in mind that the amount listed is from the actual plant based leaf brew and not extracted actives...This natural form of the leaf actives is actually extremely visionary and mind-blowing unlike what some have speculated earlier in this discussion. This is coming from someone who has dreamed natural Hawaiian leaf over 60 times in ranges from 25g to 35g, it's so visionary for 3 hours you can hardly move from your seated spot due to the intensity. Extracted actives can feel considerably weaker in dreams compared to the natural leaf form of the brew when reduced down to 2oz or so. Again, this is due to the mystery of the dynamics of plant based leaf salf-form of digestion.
The mystery of the "dynamics of enhanced digestion" of this natural form of actives from the leaf is incredibly potent, strong, colorful, all-encompassing, and visionary to the nth degree even when using low amounts of leaf.
You may remember me as 69Ron. I was suspended years ago for selling bunk products under false pretenses. I try to sneak back from time to time under different names, but unfortunately, the moderators of the DMT-Nexus are infinitely smarter than I am.
If you see me at the waterpark, please say hello. I'll be the delusional 50 something in the American flag Speedo, oiling up his monster guns while responding to imaginary requests for selfies from invisible teenage girls.