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Mindlusion wrote:dragonrider wrote:null24 wrote:Mindlusion wrote:[quote=Jees]I don't want to discredit an observation but could it have been modern drones? They come unmanned, capable of g-forces and accelerations/decelerations that no living person could survive.
No actually there aren't, the problem isn't directly the fact that a pilot couldn't survive the G-forces, the problem is there is nothing that exists that can even achieve the impossible acceleration. I'm speaking to the best evidence of the coast sightings off the aircraft carriers. The only experimental hypersonic drones we have are capable of speeds between mach 5 and mach 7, but the only way they can actually be flown is when deployed by a jet flying at an altitude of 50 000 ft at speed of mach 3, the drones are deployed at this speed and altitude which then they are capable of accelerating to hypersonic speeds. The g-forces experienced there are still lower than that of a space rocket take off, so that isn't the problem. There is no known hypersonic jet or drone that can fly at low altitudes, and its not a matter of technology, the air resistance and incredible heat produced just makes it impractical. If a hypersonic jet was travelling above your head and was low enough for you to see it, believe me, you would know about it. These things witnessed by pilots in the sky and recorded on multiple state of the art radar systems clocked these things doing mach 30 acceleration from a standstill at sea level. Something like this just doesn't make sense. See kinetic energy is increased exponentially due to speed, vs mass (KE=1/2mv^2). Thats why a relatively small asteroid can cause massive damage because of the extremely high speeds they are moving once they hit the atmosphere. The amount of energy is so great that pure metallic asteroids air-burst with the power of multiple nuclear warheads. An object that accelerates to mach 30 at sea level would provide the same signature, if it didn't detonate, the air would be at least super heated and cause multiple sonic booms. The kinetic energy transferred to the surrounding medium by friction/collisions would be detectable. Nothing at all like that was detected. No heat signature, nothing. It is seriously mind bending. The laws of aerospace don't apply to these things, they simply aren't flying through the air. Hypersonic drones for example require hundreds of miles in order to make a turn, these things turn at 90 degree angles in 120mph wind as if it wasn't there. https://www.nbcnews.com/...-it-calls-them-n1056201[/quote] Although this thing seemed to be structural, it did not behave as such. It acheived a speed I couldn't begin to estimate, but probably wouldve gone from horizon to horizon in less than 2 seconds. There was also no acceleration, it went from stationary to full speed instantly. Lazar is an interesting bloke. There is a good Netflix video on him right now that you may be interested in watching. I'm wondering what the function of the thing is... A lot of the talk around alien spp by alleged contactees speaks about the supposed peaceful motives of these things. Not all of it, there are the Ickes and reptilian theorists, but a lot seems to go that way. If we are using any of their propulsion tech, it is our militaries that are using it. I don't see why, if their agenda is peace, that they would help us build death machines. Although this is most likely just human dogma. Or we couldv'e stolen it from them. Or they themselves are at war. Or they are just observers. Or they made us. Or they are us, from the future, time tourists... Somebody knows. Haven't met a "man in black", so that's prolly good. Let's not completely rule out the possibility of these things being human-made though. So, if this would be technology from our own planet, secret military technology, it would have to contain either a new sort of stealth technology that can distort radar signals in such a way that their location cannot be accurately determined anymore. Or, if the data from the radar would be correct, they would have to be experimental weapons that in all likelyhood would not be vehicles, but rather projectiles. Objects, maybe tiny pieces of ceramic or simply plasma balls, accelerated to incredible speeds, maybe with powerfull lasers on the ground, meant to eventually crash into a target, carrying no load, because the energy that accelerates them IS their load. A sort of artificial asteroids or ball lightnings. Would that be plausible? Those suggestions aren't plausible based on the data, but don't take my word on it. I suggest you check out the interviews of the multiple pilots and radar controllers about the event, including the detailed reports and timelines, correlating visual report with electronic data. Including the near collisions that happened on the east coast in 2015. Radar malfunction has been ruled out, although the pilots radar systems actually experienced active jamming, which is a technological phenomenon (and actually an act of war if it came from another nation), which is why they couldn't actively track but only passively track via the pixels on the FLIR system. Yet the electro-optical data verifies that whatever the signal is it is of a physical nature, reflective, IR signature, etc etc, it's indisputable, and supported by multiple eye witness. It's not a projectile, at least, you should read the report (what kind of 'projectile' sits still under and above the water, moves erratically like shaking a pingpong ball in a plastic cup, then accelerates at 30x the speed of sound without a trace.). They are the ones trained to observe and detect these phenomenon, and if they could offer a plausible explanation that didn't make them look crazy, they certainly would. It's not my opinion, I'm just relaying whats out there. The simple fact is, its all been considered, and nothing fits. They can't say what it is, but they can certainly say what it isn't. By all means, it could be anything, but whatever you can suggest, it must at least fit the data. Well, i think a ball of plasma could behave like that. And could be an incredibly powerfull weapon. Virtually unstoppable. Would also jam radar signals.
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I know you think that, but that's not what it was, it can be proven without a doubt that is not what it was. And if you could make an informed judgement on that then you would know. Sounds like US GOV troll at this point  Whatever it is, human made or not, it is an incredibly powerful technology, it displays physics that we can only predict in extreme circumstances, requiring colossal amounts of energy. By our standards, it is virtually unstoppable. Sure, the military is 20 years ahead of the rest of the world, but this, is something far beyond that, something only of theoretical physicists dreams. If it is human made, then damn man, we've cracked the code, but I think thats a pretty arrogant assumption. The universe is a big place. If we could harness it, it would change civilization beyond comprehension, and if it is indeed being hidden from us by our own kind, it is indeed a crime. Expect nothing, Receive everything.
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I've seen lights multiple times, it appears out of nothing, and vanishes the same way.. I've seen it change size and brightness too. I've seen it so often I've taken a couple of photographs of it.. It's in the middle of nowhere where I walk the dog in an evening. I've taken to sitting and meditating with it, the DMT experiences I've had showed me that everything is spirit, in the same light.. so there's no reason to fear ET, to have that level of evolution to get here with that kind of technology means they are enlightened beings, they operate in much higher levels of consciousness. I think they've been waiting for us for thousands of years personally. Maybe one day we will all become enlightened to the one great spirit in all beings, and live in peace and harmony with the Earth and Cosmos. HyperJester attached the following image(s):  Screenshot 2019-05-21 at 00.16.32.png (1,468kb) downloaded 206 time(s). Screenshot 2019-05-21 at 00.16.png (1,959kb) downloaded 207 time(s). May20thSecondShot2019.jpg (8,066kb) downloaded 204 time(s). May20th20019.jpg (7,990kb) downloaded 204 time(s).
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Mindlusion wrote:Sounds like US GOV troll at this point But wouldn't it be an enormous waste of taxpayers money if i where a US gov troll?
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In the end it all comes down to what you want to believe. Ive seen my fair share of unexplained shit; strangely and even more unexplainable ive seen it almost daily during a period of my life when i was a true believer... when i became skeptical the sightings ended... We all wanna be special, either by having seen something unexplainable or by explaining something which cant be explained. The truth lies somewhere in the middle, probably right between those ears of us, nestled behind our eyes. True or not, its all entertainment and doesnt change your life in the slightest unless you decide to do so. Only life persists trough death.
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ozzoes wrote:In the end it all comes down to what you want to believe. Ive seen my fair share of unexplained shit; strangely and even more unexplainable ive seen it almost daily during a period of my life when i was a true believer... when i became skeptical the sightings ended...
We all wanna be special, either by having seen something unexplainable or by explaining something which cant be explained.
The truth lies somewhere in the middle, probably right between those ears of us, nestled behind our eyes.
True or not, its all entertainment and doesnt change your life in the slightest unless you decide to do so. Well, i'm not a sceptic. My position is that i know nothing about all of this, so anything is possible.
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Quote:In the end it all comes down to what you want to believe. Ive seen my fair share of unexplained shit; strangely and even more unexplainable ive seen it almost daily during a period of my life when i was a true believer... when i became skeptical the sightings ended...
We all wanna be special, either by having seen something unexplainable or by explaining something which cant be explained.
The truth lies somewhere in the middle, probably right between those ears of us, nestled behind our eyes.
True or not, its all entertainment and doesnt change your life in the slightest unless you decide to do so. Ozzoes, you're probably right for many yet you can't generalize that all are in for "feeling special". My own enigmatic notions (which are not seeing things in the sky) don't stop by becoming sceptical, they don't stop the moments I forgot all about them and they seem to have little interest in this whole what-I-want-or-not-want concept. We've different experiences. If those ufo radar notions are no trolls, they also don't disappear by thinking differently about them. Seems 95% of ufo notions are explicable, 5% are the real deal monitoring uber-tech (mumbers given by prof Michio Kaku). He's a media figure and earning a buck on it, perhaps (?) also feeling special, but this is a good little talk imho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiNy8R-U5Ak
He brings up our very particular situation in time right now for us humans (going from cat 0 to cat 1) which is quite interesting in the light of the Drake equation's factor L (lifetime of a tech species). One of the different camps in assessing this factor say there's a moment a species has enough tech potential to completely destroy itself (nuclear bombs come to mind) and also enough of animalistic behavioural tendencies left in their system to actually execute self elimination (revenge, religions, supremacy,...) so this camp say that such a species will disappear due it's own tensions & abilities, limiting it's own existential time. Another camp of thinkers put that every species will survive that ordeal, and all other ordeals and thus live forever.
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ozzoes wrote:In the end it all comes down to what you want to believe. Ive seen my fair share of unexplained shit; strangely and even more unexplainable ive seen it almost daily during a period of my life when i was a true believer... when i became skeptical the sightings ended...
We all wanna be special, either by having seen something unexplainable or by explaining something which cant be explained.
The truth lies somewhere in the middle, probably right between those ears of us, nestled behind our eyes.
True or not, its all entertainment and doesnt change your life in the slightest unless you decide to do so. Uh, yeah, no. You are way, way off base. You seem confined only to your own dogma in this post, in which you tell me that I'm believing what I want despite having been a rational and sober-and formerly highly skeptical- witness to a structural craft of some sort that defies known physics in flight and could not have been any of the other possible candidates, from fireworks to the ISS. You can think this is a just self-aggrandizing lie on my part for the purpose of entertaining you, but that would be highly self-flattering of you and offensive to my character. But hey, think what you want. I don't care if you believe anything or not, but if you are unable to empathise with something, you shouldn't judge it. It seems to me that you are the victim of belief here, not me. I'm trying to figure out what I saw, and come to some understanding of it. Sine experientia nihil sufficienter sciri potest -Roger Bacon
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null24 wrote:ozzoes wrote:In the end it all comes down to what you want to believe. Ive seen my fair share of unexplained shit; strangely and even more unexplainable ive seen it almost daily during a period of my life when i was a true believer... when i became skeptical the sightings ended...
We all wanna be special, either by having seen something unexplainable or by explaining something which cant be explained.
The truth lies somewhere in the middle, probably right between those ears of us, nestled behind our eyes.
True or not, its all entertainment and doesnt change your life in the slightest unless you decide to do so. Uh, yeah, no. You are way, way off base. You seem confined only to your own dogma in this post, in which you tell me that I'm believing what I want despite having been a rational and sober-and formerly highly skeptical- witness to a structural craft of some sort that defies known physics in flight and could not have been any of the other possible candidates, from fireworks to the ISS. You can think this is a just self-aggrandizing lie on my part for the purpose of entertaining you, but that would be highly self-flattering of you and offensive to my character. But hey, think what you want. I don't care if you believe anything or not, but if you are unable to empathise with something, you shouldn't judge it. It seems to me that you are the victim of belief here, not me. I'm trying to figure out what I saw, and come to some understanding of it. I highly doubt ozzoes wrote what he wrote with the intent of dismissing what you saw, or of imposing some form of characterization on you. I think he meant that we're largely influenced by our beliefs, and that some people that see stuff like that dismiss it in disbelief, but others, like yourself and many others, dive deeper and expand on the possibilities using their imagination, hopes, desires and available data to create some sort of understanding of what has been seen. Let's not turn this thread into finger-pointing and name-calling. Nobody knows shit about it all, and that's the beauty of it. I think it's fair to say you shall not receive a clear answer to the question of what it is you saw exactly. That being said, there's no harm in letting your imagination go wild, fueled by your hope that what you saw was what you hope you saw. Maybe one day I will meet Them. I remain hopeful.
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Nydex wrote:Maybe one day I will meet Them. I remain hopeful. This is exactly how i feel about it too. I did not mean to sound as a sceptic. I just think we cannot be absolutely sure that these phenomena are NOT experimental weapons. They could very well be extraterrestial phenomena, but all the links in this thread did not convince me that they 100% sure definately are. Most of the experts cited in those articles where kind of sceptical. I did not find anything in those articles about their speed, acceleration etc, or how these properties where being assessed. If you are not at least 99.9% sure about the actual size and distance of these objects, then claims about them going mach 30 are not realy etched in stone either. And this is exactly what all "stealth" technology is based on eventually. Misleading, jamming, distorting, misdirecting. This is what the US military is spending billions on, for decades. So just as it is not impossible that some UFO sightings are sightings of genuine extraterrestial spacecrafts, it is not completely impossible either, that they are experimental military technology that is designed with the purpose to mislead, to mess with our observation of them. Both with visible light as well as with radar, there are numerous ways to do this. From what i know of radar technology, i tend to believe that it is actually easier even, to mess with radarsystems, than with the human eye or camera's. These phenomena are extraordinary. So we probably cannot expect any explanation of them, ever, that is not extraordinary as well. I am open to anything.
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dragonrider wrote:Nydex wrote:Maybe one day I will meet Them. I remain hopeful. This is exactly how i feel about it too. I did not mean to sound as a sceptic. I just think we cannot be absolutely sure that these phenomena are NOT experimental weapons. They could very well be extraterrestial phenomena, but all the links in this thread did not convince me that they 100% sure definately are. Most of the experts cited in those articles where kind of sceptical. I did not find anything in those articles about their speed, acceleration etc, or how these properties where being assessed. If you are not at least 99.9% sure about the actual size and distance of these objects, then claims about them going mach 30 are not realy etched in stone either. And this is exactly what all "stealth" technology is based on eventually. Misleading, jamming, distorting, misdirecting. This is what the US military is spending billions on, for decades. So just as it is not impossible that some UFO sightings are sightings of genuine extraterrestial spacecrafts, it is not completely impossible either, that they are experimental military technology that is designed with the purpose to mislead, to mess with our observation of them. Both with visible light as well as with radar, there are numerous ways to do this. From what i know of radar technology, i tend to believe that it is actually easier even, to mess with radarsystems, than with the human eye or camera's. These phenomena are extraordinary. So we probably cannot expect any explanation of them, ever, that is not extraordinary as well. I am open to anything. Your viewpoint absolutely reflected mine prior to this little 2 second observation. Please understand that I'm not trying to prove anything, and I do understand that the more I talk about it, the less credible I'll get. I only posted a couple pics that I grabbed off Google because I was quite surprised at how they showed a distinct feature of the 'thing' I saw. I think one was a photo that was taken was back in 1954, if I recall correctly. The other is a recreation, but showed one 'leg' as being one light longer, and the color and brightness were like what I saw. I understand perspective, and also that sighting size in the night sky is difficult. However, it doesn't matter if the object was just above the treeline, at jetliner altitude or in space, the manner in which it moved, the instantaneous achievement of cruising speed, not to mention how it just materialized only lead me to the conclusion that it is not our technology. I could accept plasma balls, except that would mean it would have had a connecting structure to maintain the integrity of it's shape. You can just tell that they are all part of one thing, I'm sorry, I wish I could explain it better. A natural phenomenon even, but still. I maintain that if it was ours, meaning Earth tech, unless it's something as simple as a projection, the construction and maintenance would be a global undertaking using vast resources, there's no way it would be covert. Not for 70 years or more. It really is for me though partly, or maybe all, intuitive, and just has to be accepted by me- in leiu if a credible explanation- that it's some kind of high strangeness. Again, while I'm not trying to prove anything, or change anyone's mind, but on a consciousness expanding level I'd ask you to consider the possibility that just maybe I'm not full of crap, that what I saw was as exactly as described. Like I said earlier, dammit.  Sine experientia nihil sufficienter sciri potest -Roger Bacon
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I believe you null24 <3 sounds intense!!! i've seen some funny lights myself but nothing that extreme. funnily enough though i used to always feel slightly scared at night in the dark, but since the time i saw a hovering golden light over a house i was staying in i've felt strangely at peace with the night... they're here, they're watching, it's ok (so far)  Until we are all free, we are none of us free.
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SpaceGandalf wrote:Ball lightning.  Could have been swamp gas... But not some geese... Or even starlink sats... StarLink satellitesThis was just brought to my attention during another G-search for clues. These launches are responsible for mass sightings, and the "structure" of connected lights challenges my conclusion that the thing I saw had to have some connection between them. However, while the motion (disregarding instant acceleration and materialization) resembled that of a high satellite- that strange linear motion that they have in the night sky-still it was maybe four times faster than any satellite I've ever seen. BTW, I've been a casual sky-watcher for much of my life and am familiar with some of the rarer, but normal things we can see up there, having watched pass-bys of the space shuttle, the ISS and various satellites on many occasions, as well as observing birds and weather phenomena for many years. Searching for answers... P.S.Even though I am pretty confident that most of you would grok the psychedelia of this experience, and the implicit psilocybin connection, I have refrained from writing down those observations, trying my best to retain some credibility in the veracity of these statements. I really do appreciate the understanding and gentle handling by all of you regarding this, I have not been as loud about it elsewhere out of fear of completely losing my credibility as a skeptical and rationally sane individual.  Sine experientia nihil sufficienter sciri potest -Roger Bacon
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Just look up Dr Steven Greer, look at his disclosure project and witnesses, he does CE5 / close encounters of the 5th kind, where you meditate in consciousness and invite them to come.. he is releasing a film next year teaching and showing it, you can find his free meditations on youtube. You can watch multiple videos, and photos the groups have taken doing it.. It's real. These beings are multi-dimensional / interstellar, can communicate and travel through consciousness. As DMT smokers, we should all get that... We haven't woken up to the fact all is consciousness / spirit, that is everyones true nature, not the physical body or mind, we are all beyond that, you always were and always will be. These ET civilisations that can travel vast distances with incredible technology have realized that truth. You only have to look up CNN and FOX news on the declassified footage from US fighter jets chasing the and filming the craft at crazy high speeds. Listen to the story of Cmdr. David Fravor chasing a UFO, it was filmed, you can watch it. There's been many like that.. look up the Rendlesham forest UFO incidenet, well documented by credible people. Check out Joe Rogan talking to David Fravor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ
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dragonrider wrote:Nydex wrote:Maybe one day I will meet Them. I remain hopeful. This is exactly how i feel about it too. I did not mean to sound as a sceptic. I just think we cannot be absolutely sure that these phenomena are NOT experimental weapons. They could very well be extraterrestial phenomena, but all the links in this thread did not convince me that they 100% sure definately are. Most of the experts cited in those articles where kind of sceptical. I did not find anything in those articles about their speed, acceleration etc, or how these properties where being assessed. If you are not at least 99.9% sure about the actual size and distance of these objects, then claims about them going mach 30 are not realy etched in stone either. And this is exactly what all "stealth" technology is based on eventually. Misleading, jamming, distorting, misdirecting. This is what the US military is spending billions on, for decades. So just as it is not impossible that some UFO sightings are sightings of genuine extraterrestial spacecrafts, it is not completely impossible either, that they are experimental military technology that is designed with the purpose to mislead, to mess with our observation of them. Both with visible light as well as with radar, there are numerous ways to do this. From what i know of radar technology, i tend to believe that it is actually easier even, to mess with radarsystems, than with the human eye or camera's. These phenomena are extraordinary. So we probably cannot expect any explanation of them, ever, that is not extraordinary as well. I am open to anything. Mach 30 was clocked during the tic tac event by the ship's radar controller (Kevin Day) on the USS Princeton while the pilot (cmmdr Fravor) had eyes on the object in the sky. The Mach 30 comes from tracking the the object moving 30 000 miles in 0.76 seconds. These objects were being tracked for days prior, clocked at even higher speeds, but this instance it could be verified across multiple systems. Dozens of them were recorded, across multiple systems, only one of these was tracked by pilots in the sky in 2004. Groups of these objects (5 - 10) at a time were detected at 28 000 ft going 100knots (185kpm, very slow, jets/planes can't fly this slow without dropping) , when jets were scrambled, these objects could simultaneously drop to sea level instantaneously. When the radar guided the jets to the object, at merge plot, that is when the object was tracked by FLIR-1 targeting pod (famous video) and by eye by the pilots. The object ( a jet sized white tictac) was underwater, it was easily spotted because the conditions were clear, water was splashing against the object making it visible on the clear blue day. It then rose 50 ft above the water, observed to be moving extremely erratically (described like shaking a pingpong ball in a plastic cup). When one of the pilots (Fravor) attempted to get close, the object changed its behavior and became still, changed direction, pointed its nose across his jet, and shot off infront of him, radar tracked the objects next location (30 000 miles away over 0.78s) Obviously, this isn't the case of every instance, your average individual doesn't have that luxury of military strike group telemetry to verify any observations. Not every UFO sighting made by anyone is valid because of that, bu if you are given enough facts, you have to adjust your perception accordingly. If there is sufficient facts about the event that suggest the easiest dismissed explanation is not reasonable, then you have to move onto the next one, whether you like it or not. Nobody, especially in the military, likes to admit it. To quote the captain of the ship 'Maybe they are ice crystals'. Maybe its weather balloon, with 10 simultaneous glitches, on 10 simultaneous devices, a mass hallucination and a grand conspiracy by some secret military above the military. A glitch combined with a weather balloon in an atmosphere of swamp gas with plasma ball energy lighting ball cannon weapons. Expect nothing, Receive everything.
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Mindlusion wrote:dragonrider wrote:Nydex wrote:Maybe one day I will meet Them. I remain hopeful. This is exactly how i feel about it too. I did not mean to sound as a sceptic. I just think we cannot be absolutely sure that these phenomena are NOT experimental weapons. They could very well be extraterrestial phenomena, but all the links in this thread did not convince me that they 100% sure definately are. Most of the experts cited in those articles where kind of sceptical. I did not find anything in those articles about their speed, acceleration etc, or how these properties where being assessed. If you are not at least 99.9% sure about the actual size and distance of these objects, then claims about them going mach 30 are not realy etched in stone either. And this is exactly what all "stealth" technology is based on eventually. Misleading, jamming, distorting, misdirecting. This is what the US military is spending billions on, for decades. So just as it is not impossible that some UFO sightings are sightings of genuine extraterrestial spacecrafts, it is not completely impossible either, that they are experimental military technology that is designed with the purpose to mislead, to mess with our observation of them. Both with visible light as well as with radar, there are numerous ways to do this. From what i know of radar technology, i tend to believe that it is actually easier even, to mess with radarsystems, than with the human eye or camera's. These phenomena are extraordinary. So we probably cannot expect any explanation of them, ever, that is not extraordinary as well. I am open to anything. Mach 30 was clocked during the tic tac event by the ship's radar controller (Kevin Day) on the USS Princeton while the pilot (cmmdr Fravor) had eyes on the object in the sky. The Mach 30 comes from tracking the the object moving 30 000 miles in 0.76 seconds. These objects were being tracked for days prior, clocked at even higher speeds, but this instance it could be verified across multiple systems. Dozens of them were recorded, across multiple systems, only one of these was tracked by pilots in the sky in 2004. Groups of these objects (5 - 10) at a time were detected at 28 000 ft going 100knots (185kpm, very slow, jets/planes can't fly this slow without dropping) , when jets were scrambled, these objects could simultaneously drop to sea level instantaneously. When the radar guided the jets to the object, at merge plot, that is when the object was tracked by FLIR-1 targeting pod (famous video) and by eye by the pilots. The object ( a jet sized white tictac) was underwater, it was easily spotted because the conditions were clear, water was splashing against the object making it visible on the clear blue day. It then rose 50 ft above the water, observed to be moving extremely erratically (described like shaking a pingpong ball in a plastic cup). When one of the pilots (Fravor) attempted to get close, the object changed its behavior and became still, changed direction, pointed its nose across his jet, and shot off infront of him, radar tracked the objects next location (30 000 miles away over 0.78s) Obviously, this isn't the case of every instance, your average individual doesn't have that luxury of military strike group telemetry to verify any observations. Not every UFO sighting made by anyone is valid because of that, bu if you are given enough facts, you have to adjust your perception accordingly. If there is sufficient facts about the event that suggest the easiest dismissed explanation is not reasonable, then you have to move onto the next one, whether you like it or not. Nobody, especially in the military, likes to admit it. To quote the captain of the ship 'Maybe they are ice crystals'. Maybe its weather balloon, with 10 simultaneous glitches, on 10 simultaneous devices, a mass hallucination and a grand conspiracy by some secret military above the military. A glitch combined with a weather balloon in an atmosphere of swamp gas with plasma ball energy lighting ball cannon weapons. Also to talk on what mindlusion was saying about the altitude - fravor said thay they were detected on the radar @ above 80,000ft and they would drop to 20,000ft in under a second, and this was for several days of them tracking them before the jets went to see what these things were. This is from the jre podcast. Not to divert the thread too much or w/e, but this podcast with cmdr. fravor recently is pretty fascinating, the whole story is put out [&& the jet footage] there for some of the stuff mindlusion is referencing. Don't mind the jeremy guy, guys a bit of a goofball, but hey.
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It seems to me that some people here think that even if those sightings were not an illusion, but something real, there are scenarios where it's impossible for the source to be earthly. I, however, believe that this is a very limiting perspective. I have personally met and know two people from my tiny, god-forsaken country with its tiny population of 7 million, that claim they've seen government and military tech that disobeys and breaks all laws of physics. Stuff that comes straight out of sci-fi. Stuff you just can't believe is man-made. What I'm trying to say is that no matter how unbelievable and alien it all may seem, don't dismiss the possibility that it was made here on earth. Yes, you can keep stuff like that in secret for 70 years with strict enough control. People that have been exposed to such knowledge know that sharing it with the world is pointless, because (a) nobody will believe them, and (b) they'll jeopardize the lives of their loved ones, and their own ones as well. And as far as the people that take part in the creation of such mind-boggling tech, I don't believe they ever get access to enough information and means of recording it in a concise way at all. I like to believe most of the construction of such tech is segmented, and various groups of people make different components without being able to see the bigger picture of what it is they're really making. And the people that put all parts together in the end...those are the ones who devote their life to the facility where that's going on. They never leave it, and they have no contact with the outer world, exactly because an information leak is possible. It's all but speculation. My point is that there's absolutely no reason to think that an object that can rip through space-time and reach unimaginable speeds couldn't be man-made.
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Mindlusion wrote:... The Mach 30 comes from tracking the the object moving 30 000 miles in 0.76 seconds. ...
Those numbers are weird. afaik : mach 30 ~ 36750Km/h ~ 10Km/s ~ 6.3 mile/s « I love the smell of boiling MHRB in the morning »
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There are some strange things out there - in the sky and on the ground. All we can do is live and see how these things transpire. I've seen plenty of explainable things in the sky. I just quit talking about it cause people generally assume you are a crazy person - which, I am. So, yeah.  Take Care, ACY Sometimes it's good for a change. Other times it isn't.
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