I wasn't sure where this should go so I figured this would probably be the best place. I am just wondering if anyone knows what the legal repercussions are if one actually happened to be cought "manufacturing DMT for personal use"? I'm especially interested in the U.S. laws regarding this as it applies to Swim but I'm sure that any other countries laws would be good for some people to know. Anyone w/ any experience and/or legal knowledge of this? Please tell.

manufacturing a schedule 1 substance. possesion of a controlled substance with intent to distribute. can we say "felony"?

Lol this is the sort of thread i laugh at the futility and outright uselessness of 'swim' hehe. Sorry just my pet bug. (Yes i have a pet bug i keep and his name is swim, so, swim has a pet called swim..i'll stop now )

[quote:810137d1b0="XENONSION"]manufacturing a schedule 1 substance. possesion of a controlled substance with intent to distribute. can we say "felony"?[/quote:810137d1b0] Swim knows that "Intent to distribute" is determined by amount and understands Manufacturing for Personal Use and Possession of Controlled Substance under a certain amount are has less of a punishment than Possession with Intent to Sell or Manufacturing with Intent to Distribute. Swim also understands there is a "Point System" that is used to determine charges, judgement, and punishment, but is not completely clear on how it works. The real question is at what point does it move from misdemeanor charges to felony charges. Swim did have an incedent once in which he had 2 plants growing in his utility room and an angry ex girlfreind had informed the police that Swim had a major grow operation and was the main distributor for a particular city and the surrounding towns. Swim never distributed anything and everything really was for personal use. Swim got a misdemeanor charge with a $1200 fine and had to do 120 hours community service and 2 years probation. [quote:810137d1b0="DreaMTripper"]Lol this is the sort of thread i laugh at the futility and outright uselessness of 'swim' hehe. Sorry just my pet bug. (Yes i have a pet bug i keep and his name is swim, so, swim has a pet called swim..i'll stop now )[/quote:810137d1b0] Swim believes when going into any situation one should always weigh the benifits against the consequences and always be willing to accept the consequences of ones actions. As such, it is only wise to be aware of what measures can be taken to minimize such consequences. Swim also notes that he isn't really too worried since he owns 9 acres and every neighbor owns at least 4 acres and to add it is on the outskirts of the county so there isn't much to worry about. Folks around Swims place pretty much keep to themselves. He can sit on his front or back porch and target practice w/ his rifle and has never been bothered. But nonetheless, ever since that Nazi President (and grandson of a Nazi sympathizer/supporter) Bush pushed through the so called Patriot Act. I've known a couple of local instances of the cops busting in on someone w/o warrent and were able to get away with it by claiming they "suspected possible domestic terrorism". One "case of domestic terrorism" was because a couple were having a marital dispute and yelling at each other. In conclusion, it is just a good idea to be as educated about it as possible. This can only help and will never hurt... Well, unless you learn who killed Kennedy, then that knowledge might get you killed.

well i'm sure it depends on the state you live in, and the circumstances in question. Federal and state drug cultivation laws vary according to drug type and the amount produced. I have seen several news story's of dmt labs being busted, they were charged with one of the two, or both of the offenses i listed above. Felony in each instance. check here, maybe you can find the answer you are looking for http://caselaw.lp.findla...pters/i/parts/d/toc.html

[quote4ba517c95="EZ4U2Shoot"]Swim did have an incedent once in which he had 2 plants growing in his utility room and an angry ex girlfreind had informed the police that Swim had a major grow operation and was the main distributor for a particular city and the surrounding towns. Swim never distributed anything and everything really was for personal use. Swim got a misdemeanor charge with a $1200 fine and had to do 120 hours community service and 2 years probation. [/quote4ba517c95] I'm really happy to life in a country that isn't so obsessed with this kind of penalties.

That is nothing. In the late eighties I was caught in routine sweep and found in possesion of a small amount of cannabis, less than a joints worth. There was never any sugestion of anything other than for personnel use. I had never been in any other previous trouble with the law. I wrote out a full statement addmitting possesion. I pleadded guilty in court, apologized for my stupidity, made every effort to play their game. I was given seven months imprisonment. The punishment didn't stop there. In various aspects of my life, twenty years since, I still run up against problems caused by that judment. Finding a mortgage, getting insurrance, applying for work or travel visas etc. is now a lot harder even imposible. Smoking a few joints in my late teens afects life in my forties. I came out of prison angry over the way the system screwed me. The anger has not deminished over the intervening years. With a growing sence of indignation and realization of the fact that the fight against recreational drugs lead by the US is a fucking moral discrace the world over. Faced by that evil and its propaganda lies I have become a multi headed hydra. Where they tried to cut me down they failed. Over the last twenty years I have expounded, promoted and introduced countless thousands of people to the use of all manner of psychoactive substances. This fight continues to this day in many forms, one of them being the writting on this and other boards.

we've come pretty far in the pot movement since the 80's. lol.

[quote:a996b342b7="The Traveler"][quote:a996b342b7="EZ4U2Shoot"]Swim did have an incedent once in which he had 2 plants growing in his utility room and an angry ex girlfreind had informed the police that Swim had a major grow operation and was the main distributor for a particular city and the surrounding towns. Swim never distributed anything and everything really was for personal use. Swim got a misdemeanor charge with a $1200 fine and had to do 120 hours community service and 2 years probation. [/quote:a996b342b7] I'm really happy to life in a country that isn't so obsessed with this kind of penalties.[/quote:a996b342b7] Where do you live? I want to immigrate.

Magiclown, Your story makes me feel so sad I bet that similar things happened to thousand of people in USA... maybe this is a hope for a change in minds. I mean so many people screwed up by the stupidity of a very small number of narrow mind people should become a spiritual counter force. Just some hope...

we have come far, if its any consolation i have recently been cought toking by a number of law enforcement and weve just had a nice talk and a laugh over it, nothing was even confiscated and i was on my way. the lady that called em on us was baffled when she saw them leave (we were smoking in this feild behind her house lol).

...but in florida its alot different....alot different...florida is the gateway to smuggling different illegal d-rugs from south america...half the law enforcement is owned by the big d-rug cartels....i know alot of different people of the law in florida,who make $60,000 a year and own huge homes,drive porsches and ferraris,vacation in lavish resorts in the carribean....so...florida doesnt count...one can get away with alot there...florida has a high tolereance for d-rug activity....the last thing they are worried about is someone out in a field smoking cannabis.....shit,they may even join you

[quote:bd8acba18a="XENONSION"]we've come pretty far in the pot movement since the 80's. lol.[/quote:bd8acba18a] I'm not sure I'd say we've come that far. At least not in the mid west. I went to school in the 80's and got cought smoking pot several times in school. Back then, we got a choice, 3 swats or 3 days suspension. I don't know how many times I got swats because I didn't want the school to inform my parents I was suspended. Now days if a kid gets cought smoking pot in middle school or high school they call the police before they call the parents. Back then, they didn't call the parents unless they suspended you so if you got swats they never called parents.

[quote:ee7cdeb1fa="EZ4U2Shoot"][quote:ee7cdeb1fa="The Traveler"][quote:ee7cdeb1fa="EZ4U2Shoot"]Swim did have an incedent once in which he had 2 plants growing in his utility room and an angry ex girlfreind had informed the police that Swim had a major grow operation and was the main distributor for a particular city and the surrounding towns. Swim never distributed anything and everything really was for personal use. Swim got a misdemeanor charge with a $1200 fine and had to do 120 hours community service and 2 years probation. [/quote:ee7cdeb1fa] I'm really happy to life in a country that isn't so obsessed with this kind of penalties.[/quote:ee7cdeb1fa] Where do you live? I want to immigrate.[/quote:ee7cdeb1fa] I currently life in The Netherlands. But even here the current christian government is working hard to take away this liberty we fought so hard to gain. My little country is getting more and more the lapdog of the USA .

[quote:5f85f06d52="EZ4U2Shoot"][quote:5f85f06d52="XENONSION"]we've come pretty far in the pot movement since the 80's. lol.[/quote:5f85f06d52] I'm not sure I'd say we've come that far. At least not in the mid west. I went to school in the 80's and got cought smoking pot several times in school. Back then, we got a choice, 3 swats or 3 days suspension. I don't know how many times I got swats because I didn't want the school to inform my parents I was suspended. Now days if a kid gets cought smoking pot in middle school or high school they call the police before they call the parents. Back then, they didn't call the parents unless they suspended you so if you got swats they never called parents.[/quote:5f85f06d52] I was talking more as a total. We've made some pretty large steps towards legalization in recent years.

I am in AK. They do not care about amount of product or personal use. I got raided for a meth lab. I had glassware and empty pseudo boxs. NO DOPE. I got 5 years and it was my first offence of any kind.I you are the first person in your area to be caught manufacturing DMT which the publicize as the new horrible eoidemic they are try to stop before it get out of hand the will make an example out of you and break you off hard.

just wondering.... if one of us had a run in with the cops coming into our house, what are good explanations for the extraction supplies (lye, napatha, jars, etc.)? I know that lye is used in soap making. Lets get creative... I love creative safety. Sorry if this is an inappropriate question.

[quote:bbd4465139="karma1485"]just wondering.... if one of us had a run in with the cops coming into our house, what are good explanations for the extraction supplies (lye, napatha, jars, etc.)? I know that lye is used in soap making. Lets get creative... I love creative safety. Sorry if this is an inappropriate question.[/quote:bbd4465139] I'm curious as well. A friend of mine has mason jars, naptha, 41.5qt pressure cooker, lye, scales, random syringes (not for human use!), glassware, etc in his living area and is in his early 20s, so I doubt cops would believe soap-making

store your items in non-suspicious places. Keep your lye under the sink, it's for unclogging drains. Keep your naptha with your other handyman items, or in the garage. Keep your jars in your pantry, or in a kitchen cupboard. along with your pressure cooker. Keep the syringes hidden away obviously. Don't leave this shit piled up on your coffee table, use a little common sense. It only takes a few days to complete any extraction, so be swift, clean up, and keep your items put away where they belong. Don't be leaving an old "dmt lab" laying around where just anyone could see it.

It would also be wise to not have any how to extract from MHRB documentation on the coffee table. Canches are if they are in your home you are screwed to begin with. I would say the whole aquious/np pull is going to draw attention and there will be no explaining it. Xeno had good advice about dispersing it rather than having it all togetrher in you foot lovcker though.