Hello,

A couple weeks ago, SWIM did a small BLAB extraction using 100g M. hostilis root bark (from Pedro). The yields were as expected; 1.28g freebase DMT which was made into changa.

SWIM decided to make a larger batch with 450g root bark, once again, using BLAB. He expected anywhere from 4-7g freebase DMT.

SWIM made five 100ml-pulls with D-limonene and after salting, he had 6.436g DMT-Fumarate.
At most, SWIM expected to yield 4.89136g DMT after freebasing with acetone.

He mixed DMT-Fumarate with a slightly greater amount of sodium carbonate, mixed with water, and let it sit for 30 minutes, stirring frequently. Then he added anhydrous magnesium sulfates to dry the sludge.

Once dry, this was placed into a large HDPE bottle with anhydrous acetone (200ml+) and shaken.

He decanted through THP and was left with yellowish acetone. SWIM added 100ml more dry acetone to the bottle and repeated; the acetone lacked color when it exited the bottle...for this reason, SWIM did not bother evaporating this acetone, but he did save it for later.

SWIM evaporated the yellow acetone overnight and found a puddle of water (maybe 3-4ml) on top of oils saturated with freebase DMT. The water was poured off and the oils were scraped over 30 minutes until they had a clay-like consistency.

First question: If SWIM's acetone was anhydrous and he used anhydrous magnesium sulfates to dry the Fumarate-sodium carbonate paste, where did this water come from?

Then, SWIM scraped up the paste and weighed it out to only .920g

SWIM knows that the rest of his DMT is locked in my fumarate/sodium carbonate/magnesium sulfate mix in the HDPE bottle.

More questions:
Why was this DMT not liberated into the acetone solution?

Does SWIM need to use more acetone during the freebasing step? He thought no because the second pull of acetone was white.

Does the sludge need to be pulverized more?

More sodium carbonate?

How would SWIY draw out the remainder of the freebase DMT locked in the sludge?

SWIM thinks for his next extraction he'll try using dry IPA instead of acetone when freebasing. Acetone is a pain in the ass.

Thank you.

Can't rightly say why this wouldn't do the job, but SWIM would recommend pouring the powder mix directly into THP and to perform multiple washes with that leftover acetone. Then collect that acetone to evap and do another few washes with a bit more acetone in case anything is left in the filter.



SWIM sincerely hopes SWIY kept this water, as this likely contains more freebase. Freebase isn't completely insoluble in water but is practically insoluble in alkaline solution, and most of this water likely came from the atmosphere, rather than through THP. The other problem is that there's likely still acetone in that puddle, making the product even more soluble in it. SWIY's using SWIM's crystallization method, but he doesn't appear to have followed his tek--or else it's been misunderstood (perhaps an adjustment of few notes is needed?).

Acetone will collect ambient moisture. The only real reason to dry it is to prevent it from dissolving certain things (sodium carbonate, in this case, DMT fumarate in the case of FASA).



If SWIYs having problems with acetone, SWIY will likely have as much trouble with IPA, as they work in exactly the same way for this process.



Well, if it's a sludge, it's not very dry, but yes, it does help to have more surface area exposed.


Next time, try any one of these.

The water was evaporated to leave behind less than 1ml of oil which was scraped and added to the freebase lump. SWIM thinks SWIY is right about the source of the water; it's humid in the cloud forest.
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SWIM followed SWIY's "Drytek Conversion" to the T.

It worked.

The problem is, there is still DMT in the Fumarate/Carbonate/Magnesium sulfate mix. Why wasn't the DMT carried out by the acetone? SWIM's extra washes with acetone came out colorless. SWIM took this to mean that the freebase had migrated with the first acetone wash.

Today SWIM will dry the powder mix, add more sodium carbonate, liquefy, dry again, and perform more acetone washes..

Glad to hear!

It certainly couldn't hurt to freebase again. There could still be freebase in that clear acetone, but if SWIY's going to attempt to freebase again, save it 'til after that.

Give the nontoxic method a try sometime. It's incredibly easy.