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#1 Posted : 7/12/2019 9:26:55 PM

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Hey everyone,

So I keep posting about my journey – it feels like this is what I'm supposed to do here : share and learn (and maybe share if I ever get to the position where I would have learned by myself).

This time, I wanted to take it up a notch, so I went for 30mg.
I have a tough time describing what happened. But I'm gonna bet this is very familiar to a lot of you!

Basically, my mind just froze. In french, the expression would be "scotché". It's like "taped". Static. A little voice in my head said "woaw/wtf is happening/it's scary/but it's cool right?/yeah but it's scary/my whole body feels trapped/my head is gonna explode/not really you know".

I guess, now that I think of it, it kinda was the (very very) beginning of a tunnel. Maybe, in a way, I was getting sucked into it but stayed outside. Because there was something "round" about it. Also, all around the "circular but invisible shape that I felt", there were tiny tiny geometrical shapes. Like little squares I guess, I couldn't see them well.

But mostly, it was like my mind stopped/froze. I didn't know how it felt (good or bad) but I knew I was done for the night. I'll try 40 next time, probably. I got a bit scared but feel good about it now.

Damn! What an adventure!

if anyone wishes to enlighten me, I'll be glad : )

thanks to all of you anyway !

edit : I think I had the feeling that I was "somewhere else" even though I could still recognize my room. Now I kinda feel like I've been some place.
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#2 Posted : 7/12/2019 9:48:11 PM

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One of the cool things about DMT is the internal dialogue (or at least one that makes sense) that is possible whilst being in a psychedelic state that would make this impossible on another psychedelic. And then you go far enough to where your sense of self is just pure sense itself Shocked

Sounds like you're getting there. 30mg of pure DMT freebase should be a fair bit more than what you experienced. You might find that you get better at vaporizing it, then do 40 and blast yourself further than intended. I can turn a rug into a blanket of multilayered CGI seaweed with 10, whilst 30 is a full on breakthrough. Tell us about your method and materials, you might be able to fine tune things a little better.
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#3 Posted : 7/12/2019 9:56:00 PM

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Orion wrote:
One of the cool things about DMT is the internal dialogue (or at least one that makes sense) that is possible whilst being in a psychedelic state that would make this impossible on another psychedelic. And then you go far enough to where your sense of self is just pure sense itself Shocked

Sounds like you're getting there. 30mg of pure DMT freebase should be a fair bit more than what you experienced. You might find that you get better at vaporizing it, then do 40 and blast yourself further than intended. I can turn a rug into a blanket of multilayered CGI seaweed with 10, whilst 30 is a full on breakthrough. Tell us about your method and materials, you might be able to fine tune things a little better.


Thank you Orion, for your quick reply !

I vaporized it with an electronic vaporizer : the s&b crafty, at around 180°c.
I read here a couple of posts where people seemed to say it worked fine. Someone even said they breakthrough every time with the volcano (same conduction/convection heating principle).
And at least, it doesn't require "skills" as the other methods seem to. So I figured it was the easiest/safest method.

I had two drags... maybe should have aimed for one? Didn't wait a lot between the two of them though...
So I don't know that I have lots of wiggle room, beside changing the temperature and/or the quantity.
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#4 Posted : 7/12/2019 11:48:46 PM

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I've heard mixed stories around vaporizers. Some like them for convenience but others say they don't hold a candle to a GVG or a bong. Personally I have no experience with them, at least with DMT in one. I am curious but I already have what works so I've never bothered.

The thing with a volcano is that it can fill up a big bag full of vapor, enough to pretty much get you there in one. You can do the same with a bong. I've broken through many times with a steamroller pipe, but I do miss that one hit blastoff with a medium sized bong. Straight to the dome. I'd say if you can't get fully immersed in hyperspace with 30mg, give other methods a shot.
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#5 Posted : 7/14/2019 8:52:40 PM

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Orion wrote:
I've heard mixed stories around vaporizers. Some like them for convenience but others say they don't hold a candle to a GVG or a bong. Personally I have no experience with them, at least with DMT in one. I am curious but I already have what works so I've never bothered.

The thing with a volcano is that it can fill up a big bag full of vapor, enough to pretty much get you there in one. You can do the same with a bong. I've broken through many times with a steamroller pipe, but I do miss that one hit blastoff with a medium sized bong. Straight to the dome. I'd say if you can't get fully immersed in hyperspace with 30mg, give other methods a shot.


Once again, thank you very much.
A GVG is very hard to find here, in France. I'll try to find someone that can lend me one maybe. On the brand's website, it costs 170$ to get it shipped here... It's a lotta dough... but I imagine it's worth it.

I have a glass pipe, so maybe I could get some changa instead of free base...
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#6 Posted : 7/15/2019 5:25:50 AM
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I've been using a vaporizer similar at least in function to the crafty, the Vapir Prima.
I would suggest if you're looking to go farther to try the 30mg again but take at least 1 if not 2 more hits. And/Or longer hits.

I usually take as long of a hit that i can. Then hold it in for at least 10 if not 15 seconds. I'm usually starting in before I exhale the first hit. Same with the second and third. Last time i waited until i was coming down and decided to try and re-enter "the space" so i turned it back on took 3 more good hits, and I went further into the waiting room. everything almost exploded(in a good way.)
Eyes open by the way.

The reason i shared this part is to show that there might still be some in there. Since I can't "see" how much I took or if any is left, I also wanted to make sure I cleared the vaporizer out. I would have not been prepared if say 5-10 mgs were still left. If decided to load up with another 30mgs and wanted a good sub-breakthrough trip and then blasted off.

I know some can go right to the moon on around 30mgs. So next time I decide to I'm going to take a couple more hits then just 3. See where that leads me.

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#7 Posted : 7/15/2019 10:35:42 AM

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Astinus wrote:
I've been using a vaporizer similar at least in function to the crafty, the Vapir Prima.
I would suggest if you're looking to go farther to try the 30mg again but take at least 1 if not 2 more hits. And/Or longer hits.

I usually take as long of a hit that i can. Then hold it in for at least 10 if not 15 seconds. I'm usually starting in before I exhale the first hit. Same with the second and third. Last time i waited until i was coming down and decided to try and re-enter "the space" so i turned it back on took 3 more good hits, and I went further into the waiting room. everything almost exploded(in a good way.)
Eyes open by the way.

The reason i shared this part is to show that there might still be some in there. Since I can't "see" how much I took or if any is left, I also wanted to make sure I cleared the vaporizer out. I would have not been prepared if say 5-10 mgs were still left. If decided to load up with another 30mgs and wanted a good sub-breakthrough trip and then blasted off.

I know some can go right to the moon on around 30mgs. So next time I decide to I'm going to take a couple more hits then just 3. See where that leads me.

Happy Traveling.


Hey Astinus, thanks for sharing! : )

I took 2 hits, yeah, kept them in my lungs almost 30 seconds I think. When I opened the vaporizer, couldn't see anything left. So I don't know if I did that wrong. A third hit might have been possible, but at that moment, my mind was "frozen", there's no way I could have thought about it!
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#8 Posted : 7/15/2019 11:15:14 AM
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Just remember, DMT starts to melt just over 100*F. So it will soak into the concentrate pad. When you open it up after heating you won't see anything. Some could still be in there if you didn't take it all in.
 
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#9 Posted : 7/17/2019 6:24:34 PM

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Astinus wrote:
Just remember, DMT starts to melt just over 100*F. So it will soak into the concentrate pad. When you open it up after heating you won't see anything. Some could still be in there if you didn't take it all in.


Well thank you very much. This is good to know, indeed! So I probably did not take 30mg! I have to put my crafty as low as possible.
Just to make sure, you mean 100°C, right?
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