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deweeb
#1 Posted : 1/2/2010 2:42:18 AM

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Having read a zillion posts on various methods of extracting DMT from MHRB , I have a few questions most pertaining to STB . So if there is someone who would be so kind to educate me I sure would appreciate it .

1. When making up the base of DH20 and NaOH , what difference does it make how much water you use ? As long as the HMRB is diluted enough to work with and the base is around 13.4 .

1a. Can there be too much DH2O/base to MHRB , and if so what happens and how do you fix it ?

2. When the Naptha is added to the MHRB mix and combined for a pull , there are many suggestions to let the mix sit for as short as 15 mins , right up to days before attempting to remove the top layer . Since naptha holds more DMT when hot what happens as the mix cools even overnight ? Will the DMT drop out of solution , and where would it go ?

2a. What is a decent soak time before removing the naptha layer ?

2b. Since hot/warm naptha is more efficent why would you even want to wait so long for it get cold when doing a pull ? It seems counter productive .

3. What is the saturation point of naptha to DMT ? I would think less naptha is better then way extra.

4. When doing an extended MHRB soak ie. overnight , does tannins and impurities cross over as well ?

5. Can a warm water bath be too hot/too cold for the MHRB/NaOH/naptha mix ? If so, how hot/cold is too hot/cold and what happens ?

6. What happens if the DH20 base has too high/low of a ph ? How much is too much and how does this effect everything ?

7. Does DMT degrade in a naptha suspension when exposed to bright light ?

8. Does DMT degrade if left for extended periods of time in a naptha suspension ?

9. When keeping everything warm in a hot water bath , does the steam/water vapor cause any problems ?

10. There are recommendations to do anywhere from three to six pulls , how can you tell when you have done enough without freeze precp ?

11. Some techs say the inital step of using acid in a STB tech is no longer needed , how come ?

12. If the naptha will not seperate , what conditions cause that and how can it be resolved ?

13. HPDE or glass containers are recommended , there is clear containers used for water now , are these ok to use as long as they don't melt ?

That's it for now , I hope somebody is willing to spend the time answering these questions for me . I would like to understand what is going on with the extractions instead of just following a recipe and hoping for the best .

Take care and many thanks !
 

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Pokey
#2 Posted : 1/2/2010 3:29:37 AM

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deweeb,

1. Doesn't matter. Not enough can be a problem, especially with powdered MHRB, too much is not a problem.

1a. See 1.

2. Mix it around and let it seperate a few (or several) times, then take the naptha off the top. No advantage to letting the stuff sit around after it seperates which happens quite quickly.

2a. See 2. Mixing gently several times gives the naptha molecules more chances to meet and gather up DMT molecules.

2b. I've never heated naptha before pulling with it. Naptha is cheap and easy to get, so who cares if you need to use a little bit more to get the job doneSmile If the naptha is warmed, it won't stay warm for long once it's mixed with the MHRB solution, and warming the whole jug or jar just doesn't seem worth the trouble to me.

3. No idea, but the most common ratio is 1ml of naptha per gram of bark used (spread out over 4 or more pulls).

4. I sometimes have to leave my extraction alone for a week or more and haven't pulled anything different than the extractions that are 3 days start to finish.

5. See 2b

6. Can't be too high. Too low will cause a variety of troubles, emulsions being the most common. Emulsions are the bane of an extractors existence; keep that ph HIGH!

7&8. Not sure. DMT can degrade to DMT N-oxide if left in the light for too long (not sure how long...), but I don't know if that can happen while suspended in naptha. DMT turns out to be much more stable than I first thought. There are many reports of folks keeping some at room temerature in a dark vial for months or more with no noticeable loss of potency.

9.See 2b

10. There is no way to tell from just looking at the naptha. Spending time gently mixing several times per pull will give the best results.

11. STB is straight to base. No acid. If the acid was for a defat, MHRB has little or no fat anyway, so no need to defat. In my experience, an A/B produces cleaner looking (meaning whiter) crystals, but STB is quick and easy. Check out the BLAB in the A/B section; my new favorite!Cool

12. Do everything just like the tek says, and you shouldn't have this problem.

13. No idea. I always use glass.

Pokey
 
 
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